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John Bryant
Thanks everyone, lots of energetic input over the last several weeks! I hope it's resulted in a good outcome that works for this community. At the end of the day, we're just finding ways to express how we work together, which we already do well. Time will tell, and we can always adjust what's not working.

So, OSGeo Oceania board, over to you. The motion is: We ratify and adopt the attached draft membership policy.

Your earliest response would be great, ideally in the next day or 2.

Thanks!
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Martin Tomko
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+1 from me for the propised model.

Martin

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>From Kerry:

> *COMMENT: If anyone can nominate new members - can you self-nominate?  In
> which case isn't this an application for membership? Is the intention that
> the nominator is already a member, because this is not specified.*
>
> *It does seem odd that anybody in the whole world can nominate another
> person for membership.*
>

Thanks Kerry. This was intentionally introduced on 27 Sep when we attempted
to resolve some disagreement by consolidating two membership tiers into a
single tier. Since one key idea is to keep a low barrier to entry, while
still maintaining some control over the membership process, this was
changed from "*any member may nominate...*" to "*anybody can nominate...*"
so that we're avoiding an "inner circle" situation.

I don't think it's especially odd that anybody in the whole world can
nominate (including self-nomination). If someone meets our eligibility
criteria, and wishes to become a member, then we should welcome them as
members regardless of who they know.
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Hi John, Kerry

this model of ‘anyone can sign up’ also fits the broader OSMF and OSGeo
models. In OSMF you just pay, in OSGeo you go to a website and create
yourself an account.

Thanks everyone for their hard work on this document, I think it is a
wonderful result from a series of well considered compromises and
thoughtful, experience-based input.

Regards

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> From Kerry:
>
>> *COMMENT: If anyone can nominate new members - can you self-nominate?  In
>> which case isn't this an application for membership? Is the intention that
>> the nominator is already a member, because this is not specified.*
>>
>> *It does seem odd that anybody in the whole world can nominate another
>> person for membership.*
>>
>
> Thanks Kerry. This was intentionally introduced on 27 Sep when we
> attempted to resolve some disagreement by consolidating two membership
> tiers into a single tier. Since one key idea is to keep a low barrier to
> entry, while still maintaining some control over the membership process,
> this was changed from "*any member may nominate...*" to "*anybody can
> nominate...*" so that we're avoiding an "inner circle" situation.
>
> I don't think it's especially odd that anybody in the whole world can
> nominate (including self-nomination). If someone meets our eligibility
> criteria, and wishes to become a member, then we should welcome them as
> members regardless of who they know.
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Thanks everyone, lots of energetic input over the last several weeks! I
hope it's resulted in a good outcome that works for this community. At the
end of the day, we're just finding ways to express how we work together,
which we already do well. Time will tell, and we can always adjust what's
not working.

So, OSGeo Oceania board, over to you. The motion is: *We ratify and adopt
the attached draft membership policy.*

Your earliest response would be great, ideally in the next day or 2.

Thanks!
John
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Re: membership - elections - AGM

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+1

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 15:39 John Bryant, <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks everyone, lots of energetic input over the last several weeks! I hope it's resulted in a good outcome that works for this community. At the end of the day, we're just finding ways to express how we work together, which we already do well. Time will tell, and we can always adjust what's not working.

So, OSGeo Oceania board, over to you. The motion is: We ratify and adopt the attached draft membership policy.

Your earliest response would be great, ideally in the next day or 2.

Thanks!
John
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Kerry Smyth
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Hi John, Adam,

I’m not speaking against the opening up to all.

I’m just saying if you can self-nominate, then nomination by someone else seems superfluous red tape.

If I want to join then I apply.

Why would someone else want to nominate me and then the Membership Working Group have to confirm that I want to be nominated?

I don’t get the purpose of the third party involvement.

 

Kerry Smyth

 

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Hi John, Kerry

 

this model of ‘anyone can sign up’ also fits the broader OSMF and OSGeo models. In OSMF you just pay, in OSGeo you go to a website and create yourself an account.

 

Thanks everyone for their hard work on this document, I think it is a wonderful result from a series of well considered compromises and thoughtful, experience-based input.

 

Regards

 

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From Kerry:

COMMENT: If anyone can nominate new members - can you self-nominate?  In which case isn't this an application for membership? Is the intention that the nominator is already a member, because this is not specified.

It does seem odd that anybody in the whole world can nominate another person for membership.

 

Thanks Kerry. This was intentionally introduced on 27 Sep when we attempted to resolve some disagreement by consolidating two membership tiers into a single tier. Since one key idea is to keep a low barrier to entry, while still maintaining some control over the membership process, this was changed from "any member may nominate..." to "anybody can nominate..." so that we're avoiding an "inner circle" situation.

 

I don't think it's especially odd that anybody in the whole world can nominate (including self-nomination). If someone meets our eligibility criteria, and wishes to become a member, then we should welcome them as members regardless of who they know.

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OK, point taken. I don't see any harm in having the option for people to nominate others they see contributing, some people people may be modest and not nominate themselves. I am working on a list of people I will nominate once we kick off a membership drive. In any case, I think it would have been better to make this point earlier.

I would like to let the motion stand, and let the board vote on it... but if anyone sees these new comments as a reason to cancel the motion and have further discussion, please chime in.

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Hi Kerry

Like John I see it as just another avenue.. it's there if needed, and some people do need to be invited.

Regards,

Adam

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OK, point taken. I don't see any harm in having the option for people to nominate others they see contributing, some people people may be modest and not nominate themselves. I am working on a list of people I will nominate once we kick off a membership drive. In any case, I think it would have been better to make this point earlier.

I would like to let the motion stand, and let the board vote on it... but if anyone sees these new comments as a reason to cancel the motion and have further discussion, please chime in.

Thanks
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+1

I like where we've landed on the membership policy - thanks to all those that provided input and to John for forming that into a cohesive policy we can move forward with. :-)

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+1

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 15:39 John Bryant, <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks everyone, lots of energetic input over the last several weeks! I hope it's resulted in a good outcome that works for this community. At the end of the day, we're just finding ways to express how we work together, which we already do well. Time will tell, and we can always adjust what's not working.

So, OSGeo Oceania board, over to you. The motion is: We ratify and adopt the attached draft membership policy.

Your earliest response would be great, ideally in the next day or 2.

Thanks!
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+ 1 

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+1

I like where we've landed on the membership policy - thanks to all those that provided input and to John for forming that into a cohesive policy we can move forward with. :-)

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+1

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 15:39 John Bryant, <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks everyone, lots of energetic input over the last several weeks! I hope it's resulted in a good outcome that works for this community. At the end of the day, we're just finding ways to express how we work together, which we already do well. Time will tell, and we can always adjust what's not working.

So, OSGeo Oceania board, over to you. The motion is: We ratify and adopt the attached draft membership policy.

Your earliest response would be great, ideally in the next day or 2.

Thanks!
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+1

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+ 1 

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+1

I like where we've landed on the membership policy - thanks to all those that provided input and to John for forming that into a cohesive policy we can move forward with. :-)

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+1

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 15:39 John Bryant, <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks everyone, lots of energetic input over the last several weeks! I hope it's resulted in a good outcome that works for this community. At the end of the day, we're just finding ways to express how we work together, which we already do well. Time will tell, and we can always adjust what's not working.

So, OSGeo Oceania board, over to you. The motion is: We ratify and adopt the attached draft membership policy.

Your earliest response would be great, ideally in the next day or 2.

Thanks!
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+1

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+1

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On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 12:50 PM Daniel Silk <[hidden email]> wrote:
+1

I like where we've landed on the membership policy - thanks to all those that provided input and to John for forming that into a cohesive policy we can move forward with. :-)

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 7:02 PM Jonah Sullivan <[hidden email]> wrote:
+1

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 15:39 John Bryant, <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks everyone, lots of energetic input over the last several weeks! I hope it's resulted in a good outcome that works for this community. At the end of the day, we're just finding ways to express how we work together, which we already do well. Time will tell, and we can always adjust what's not working.

So, OSGeo Oceania board, over to you. The motion is: We ratify and adopt the attached draft membership policy.

Your earliest response would be great, ideally in the next day or 2.

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With 7 directors voting in favour (Martin's in a separate digest thread) and none against, I think we can call this done. I'll link a finalised PDF version from the wiki page now.

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Excellent, and thank you for shepherding this John.
Threads are a pain - I work with digests, and never know what to leave in the subject (
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    > + 1
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    > On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 12:50 PM Daniel Silk <[hidden email]> wrote:
    >
    >> +1
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    >> I like where we've landed on the membership policy - thanks to all those
    >> that provided input and to John for forming that into a cohesive policy we
    >> can move forward with. :-)
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    >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 7:02 PM Jonah Sullivan <[hidden email]>
    >> wrote:
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    >>> +1
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    >>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 15:39 John Bryant, <[hidden email]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Thanks everyone, lots of energetic input over the last several weeks! I
    >>>> hope it's resulted in a good outcome that works for this community. At the
    >>>> end of the day, we're just finding ways to express how we work together,
    >>>> which we already do well. Time will tell, and we can always adjust what's
    >>>> not working.
    >>>>
    >>>> So, OSGeo Oceania board, over to you. The motion is: *We ratify and
    >>>> adopt the attached draft membership policy.*
    >>>>
    >>>> Your earliest response would be great, ideally in the next day or 2.
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks!
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    > On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 01:21, Greg Lauer <[hidden email]> wrote:
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    >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 12:50 PM Daniel Silk <[hidden email]> wrote:
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    >>> +1
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    >>> I like where we've landed on the membership policy - thanks to all those
    >>> that provided input and to John for forming that into a cohesive policy we
    >>> can move forward with. :-)
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    >>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 7:02 PM Jonah Sullivan <
    >>> [hidden email]> wrote:
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    >>>> +1
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    >>>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 15:39 John Bryant, <[hidden email]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Thanks everyone, lots of energetic input over the last several weeks!
    >>>>> I hope it's resulted in a good outcome that works for this community. At
    >>>>> the end of the day, we're just finding ways to express how we work
    >>>>> together, which we already do well. Time will tell, and we can always
    >>>>> adjust what's not working.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So, OSGeo Oceania board, over to you. The motion is: *We ratify and
    >>>>> adopt the attached draft membership policy.*
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Your earliest response would be great, ideally in the next day or 2.
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    >>>>> Thanks!
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