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Astrid Emde (OSGeo)
Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release

18 April 2017

For our next OSGeo-Live release, 11.0, we propose to reduce the number
of packages included, and only support a 64 bit distribution, (32 bit
will be built but not tested or officially supported).

Factors leading to this suggestion include:
1. Some projects have dwindling communities and momentum.
2. Increased OSGeo-Live scope has increased our core maintenance and
testing.
3. Reduced engagement from projects (partly due to less core time spent
reaching out to projects)
4. Missing our first release milestone in 9 years.

 From our options of reduce quality, become more efficient, increase
volunteer engagement, find a sponsor to support core activities, and
reduce scope, reducing scope is our most viable and acceptable option.
Other ideas are welcomed.

Questions we will ask in assessing which projects to keep include:
1. Is there an ACTIVE OSGeo-Live liaison person/people for the project?
Prior list is copied to "Contact" column at:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMlM8XtAOhUgcjZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?hl=en_GB#gid=2014800150
2. Has the Project Overview and Quickstart been reviewed and are they
current and complete?
3. Do OpenHub metrics reflect an active and healthy community:
https://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html
4. Is the project being updated on OSGeo-Live with each release?


Key Milestones
---------------
  5-Jun-2017 OSGeo-Live Feature Freeze (final application versions
installed)
19-Jun-2017 OSGeo-Live delivered to UAT (final application versions
installed - Beta stage)
24-Jul-2017 OSGeo-Live Final ISO
14-Aug-2017 FOSS4G 2017 Boston

full schedule:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB

About OSGeo-Live
----------------
OSGeo-Live (http://live.osgeo.org) is a Lubuntu (http://lubuntu.net)
based distribution of Geospatial Open Source Software, available via a
Live DVD, Virtual Machine and USB. You can use OSGeo-Live to try a wide
variety of open source geospatial software without installing anything.


Greetings from th OSGeo-Live Team!

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Open Source Geospatial Foundation
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Astrid_Emde
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Re: Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release

Gert-Jan
Hi OSGeo-Live team and others,


1. Frequency
In order to reduce the workload one might consider to lower the release
frequency to a yearly base.
(In which case I'd also suggest to name the version after their year of
release: "OSGeo Live 2017" etc..)
For my purposes it doesn't add much value to have a new version every 6
months.


2. In/exclude projects
Given the fact that OSGeo Live serves as an introduction, I think the
libraries are far less important to include.



Kind regards,

Gert-Jan





Astrid Emde (OSGeo) schreef op 17-04-2017 23:40:

> Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release
>
> 18 April 2017
>
> For our next OSGeo-Live release, 11.0, we propose to reduce the number
> of packages included, and only support a 64 bit distribution, (32 bit
> will be built but not tested or officially supported).
>
> Factors leading to this suggestion include:
> 1. Some projects have dwindling communities and momentum.
> 2. Increased OSGeo-Live scope has increased our core maintenance and
> testing.
> 3. Reduced engagement from projects (partly due to less core time
> spent reaching out to projects)
> 4. Missing our first release milestone in 9 years.
>
> From our options of reduce quality, become more efficient, increase
> volunteer engagement, find a sponsor to support core activities, and
> reduce scope, reducing scope is our most viable and acceptable option.
> Other ideas are welcomed.
>
> Questions we will ask in assessing which projects to keep include:
> 1. Is there an ACTIVE OSGeo-Live liaison person/people for the
> project? Prior list is copied to "Contact" column at:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMlM8XtAOhUgcjZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?hl=en_GB#gid=2014800150
> 2. Has the Project Overview and Quickstart been reviewed and are they
> current and complete?
> 3. Do OpenHub metrics reflect an active and healthy community:
> https://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html
> 4. Is the project being updated on OSGeo-Live with each release?
>
>
> Key Milestones
> ---------------
>  5-Jun-2017 OSGeo-Live Feature Freeze (final application versions
> installed)
> 19-Jun-2017 OSGeo-Live delivered to UAT (final application versions
> installed - Beta stage)
> 24-Jul-2017 OSGeo-Live Final ISO
> 14-Aug-2017 FOSS4G 2017 Boston
>
> full schedule:
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB
>
> About OSGeo-Live
> ----------------
> OSGeo-Live (http://live.osgeo.org) is a Lubuntu (http://lubuntu.net)
> based distribution of Geospatial Open Source Software, available via a
> Live DVD, Virtual Machine and USB. You can use OSGeo-Live to try a
> wide variety of open source geospatial software without installing
> anything.
>
>
> Greetings from th OSGeo-Live Team!
>
> --
>
> Astrid Emde
> Charter Member
> Open Source Geospatial Foundation
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Astrid_Emde
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Re: Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release

Suchith Anand
From a education/training  perspective i think lowering the release frequency of OSGeo Live to a yearly base will be helpful esp. if we are  planning to build educational materials to link OSGeo Live for the future. I am ccing GeoforAll lists as well as there might be other views/opinions.

Best wishes,

Suchith

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Sent: 18 April 2017 4:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release

Hi OSGeo-Live team and others,


1. Frequency
In order to reduce the workload one might consider to lower the release
frequency to a yearly base.
(In which case I'd also suggest to name the version after their year of
release: "OSGeo Live 2017" etc..)
For my purposes it doesn't add much value to have a new version every 6
months.


2. In/exclude projects
Given the fact that OSGeo Live serves as an introduction, I think the
libraries are far less important to include.



Kind regards,

Gert-Jan





Astrid Emde (OSGeo) schreef op 17-04-2017 23:40:

> Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release
>
> 18 April 2017
>
> For our next OSGeo-Live release, 11.0, we propose to reduce the number
> of packages included, and only support a 64 bit distribution, (32 bit
> will be built but not tested or officially supported).
>
> Factors leading to this suggestion include:
> 1. Some projects have dwindling communities and momentum.
> 2. Increased OSGeo-Live scope has increased our core maintenance and
> testing.
> 3. Reduced engagement from projects (partly due to less core time
> spent reaching out to projects)
> 4. Missing our first release milestone in 9 years.
>
> From our options of reduce quality, become more efficient, increase
> volunteer engagement, find a sponsor to support core activities, and
> reduce scope, reducing scope is our most viable and acceptable option.
> Other ideas are welcomed.
>
> Questions we will ask in assessing which projects to keep include:
> 1. Is there an ACTIVE OSGeo-Live liaison person/people for the
> project? Prior list is copied to "Contact" column at:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMlM8XtAOhUgcjZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?hl=en_GB#gid=2014800150
> 2. Has the Project Overview and Quickstart been reviewed and are they
> current and complete?
> 3. Do OpenHub metrics reflect an active and healthy community:
> https://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html
> 4. Is the project being updated on OSGeo-Live with each release?
>
>
> Key Milestones
> ---------------
>  5-Jun-2017   OSGeo-Live Feature Freeze (final application versions
> installed)
> 19-Jun-2017   OSGeo-Live delivered to UAT (final application versions
> installed - Beta stage)
> 24-Jul-2017   OSGeo-Live Final ISO
> 14-Aug-2017 FOSS4G 2017 Boston
>
> full schedule:
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB
>
> About OSGeo-Live
> ----------------
> OSGeo-Live (http://live.osgeo.org) is a Lubuntu (http://lubuntu.net)
> based distribution of Geospatial Open Source Software, available via a
> Live DVD, Virtual Machine and USB. You can use OSGeo-Live to try a
> wide variety of open source geospatial software without installing
> anything.
>
>
> Greetings from th OSGeo-Live Team!
>
> --
>
> Astrid Emde
> Charter Member
> Open Source Geospatial Foundation
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Astrid_Emde
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Re: Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release

Gert-Jan
In addition to my previous post:
Instead of releasing one OSGeo Live every year, one might also release a Spring/Summer edition focussed on Desktop GIS and a Autumn/Winter edition with mainly server GIS.
In that way the workoad is a little more spread throughout the year than in case of one annual "complete" edition.

That fits nicely with the 32/64 bit proposition: for the Server edition 64 bit is fair enough, for the Desktop edition one might consider supporting 32 as well as 64 bit.

(and of course we can still deliver the Desktop/Spring edition in a double CD Jewel Case that has the ability to store the Server/Autumn edition as well)


Kind regards,

Gert-Jan



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Van: Discuss [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens Suchith Anand
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 april 2017 18:02
Aan: Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl); Discuss; [hidden email]
Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release

From a education/training  perspective i think lowering the release frequency of OSGeo Live to a yearly base will be helpful esp. if we are  planning to build educational materials to link OSGeo Live for the future. I am ccing GeoforAll lists as well as there might be other views/opinions.

Best wishes,

Suchith

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From: Discuss <[hidden email]> on behalf of Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl) <[hidden email]>
Sent: 18 April 2017 4:39 PM
To: Astrid Emde (OSGeo); Discuss
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release

Hi OSGeo-Live team and others,


1. Frequency
In order to reduce the workload one might consider to lower the release frequency to a yearly base.
(In which case I'd also suggest to name the version after their year of
release: "OSGeo Live 2017" etc..)
For my purposes it doesn't add much value to have a new version every 6 months.


2. In/exclude projects
Given the fact that OSGeo Live serves as an introduction, I think the libraries are far less important to include.



Kind regards,

Gert-Jan





Astrid Emde (OSGeo) schreef op 17-04-2017 23:40:

> Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release
>
> 18 April 2017
>
> For our next OSGeo-Live release, 11.0, we propose to reduce the number
> of packages included, and only support a 64 bit distribution, (32 bit
> will be built but not tested or officially supported).
>
> Factors leading to this suggestion include:
> 1. Some projects have dwindling communities and momentum.
> 2. Increased OSGeo-Live scope has increased our core maintenance and
> testing.
> 3. Reduced engagement from projects (partly due to less core time
> spent reaching out to projects) 4. Missing our first release milestone
> in 9 years.
>
> From our options of reduce quality, become more efficient, increase
> volunteer engagement, find a sponsor to support core activities, and
> reduce scope, reducing scope is our most viable and acceptable option.
> Other ideas are welcomed.
>
> Questions we will ask in assessing which projects to keep include:
> 1. Is there an ACTIVE OSGeo-Live liaison person/people for the
> project? Prior list is copied to "Contact" column at:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMlM8XtAOhUgc
> jZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?hl=en_GB#gid=2014800150
> 2. Has the Project Overview and Quickstart been reviewed and are they
> current and complete?
> 3. Do OpenHub metrics reflect an active and healthy community:
> https://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html
> 4. Is the project being updated on OSGeo-Live with each release?
>
>
> Key Milestones
> ---------------
>  5-Jun-2017   OSGeo-Live Feature Freeze (final application versions
> installed)
> 19-Jun-2017   OSGeo-Live delivered to UAT (final application versions
> installed - Beta stage)
> 24-Jul-2017   OSGeo-Live Final ISO
> 14-Aug-2017 FOSS4G 2017 Boston
>
> full schedule:
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSU
> czbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB
>
> About OSGeo-Live
> ----------------
> OSGeo-Live (http://live.osgeo.org) is a Lubuntu (http://lubuntu.net)
> based distribution of Geospatial Open Source Software, available via a
> Live DVD, Virtual Machine and USB. You can use OSGeo-Live to try a
> wide variety of open source geospatial software without installing
> anything.
>
>
> Greetings from th OSGeo-Live Team!
>
> --
>
> Astrid Emde
> Charter Member
> Open Source Geospatial Foundation
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Astrid_Emde
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Re: Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release

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2. In/exclude projects
Given the fact that OSGeo Live serves as an introduction, I think the libraries are far less important to include.

I think the libraries are in use by the other applications (example GeoTools, GDAL/OGR). Having some documentation about the libraries does no harm.

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Re: Reducing scope of OSGeo-Live for next 11.0 release

Cameron Shorter
On 22/4/17 8:45 am, Jody Garnett wrote:

2. In/exclude projects
Given the fact that OSGeo Live serves as an introduction, I think the libraries are far less important to include.

I think the libraries are in use by the other applications (example GeoTools, GDAL/OGR). Having some documentation about the libraries does no harm.
Jody, The cost of including documentation for libraries (and other projects) is that with each release someone needs to verify that the documentation hasn't become dated, and update where required, then trigger translators to update their pages.
The question is, do we have the volunteer capacity to do this task for each release, for each library? (At the moment our current volunteer base is struggling to keep up).
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