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Re: [SAC] Hosting for http://openstreetmap.org.ar/

Arnulf Christl
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(not sorry for cross posting)

Hi,
I am all for supporting this because it helps diversifying
infrastructures and follows a think global act local paradigm. Is
there anything that would prevent OSGeo from providing funds for a
server located in Argentina? Are we on track with this as a regular
process of asking for this type of funding? It is very much in line
with the goals of OSGeo.

Fernando,
I suggest to double or triple the spec of the box right away and plan
for at least two years of operation (so that there is some
continuity). After this period it should either be possible to get
funding from more local sponsors and/or the OSGeo Local Chapter South
America / Argentina can take over.

As a side node: The local server for OSM in the German language region
is funded through FOSSGIS e.V. which is the German language OSGeo
Local Chapter (and also acts as a point of contact, collects
sponsorship for OSM and supports OSM events and activities).

Best regards,
Arnulf

On 03/21/2014 09:14 AM, Jorge Sanz wrote:

>
>
>
> 2014-03-20 18:53 GMT+01:00 <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
> __
>
> Hello, I'm Fernando, from the OSM-Ar community.
>
> First of all, thank you for taking this into consideration.
>
> For your information, we were running on a humble VPS with the
> following specs:
>
> 1Gb RAM 60GB HDD 1 core 500GB of BW
>
> This setup wasnt really enough, low RAM made on-the-fly rendering
> quite slow, not handling concurrency nicely, if at all. As the HDD
> is 60GB caching turned virtually useless, the elevated inodes
> usage constantly filled the disk.
>
> Anyway, at least doubling this specs (not the BW), while
> implementing new techniques and stack might be enough for the mid
> term.
>
> We only serve tiles from Argentina, so our DB has only the
> Geofabrik extract from this country.
>
> Its not exactly a mirror, as we introduce minor changes in the
> style, symbols, and localization. [1]
>
> On the other hand, we constantly "represent" OSM, and FOSS4G when
> government authorities or representatives show interest on these,
> wich is quite usual lately. We are a healthy community working on
> this matter constantly. We love FLOSS and Open Data.
>
> We aim to get incorporated in the Local Chapters proposal, but we
> still are a community, not a legal entity. [2] [3]
>
> About the software:
>
> OS: Debian 7
>
> mapnik osm2pgsql postgresql - postgis tilestache nodejs,
> node-mapnik, tile-live, cartocss nginx
>
> Also note that I can fully manage the server, so a fresh Debian is
> all we need.
>
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_Argentina [2]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters [3]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Agreement
>
>  For the sake of brevity Ive ommited lots of details on what we do
> and can do, but I'll be glad to clear further doubts.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fernando Sanz
>
>
>
>
> Hi, please let me support this request. Fernando is speaking on
> behalf of an active community. I was with Jeff at FOSS4G Buenos
> Aires 2013, impressed by their passion and how fast they've built a
> community of professional and hard working enthusiasts, bringing
> people from open source and open data realms. Being Geoinquietos
> Argentina younger than other Geoinquietos groups (kind of
> microchapters started with FOSS4G 2010 in Barcelona) they accepted
> and succeed on the challenge of doing a great conference.
>
>
> -- Jorge Sanz http://www.osgeo.org 
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz
>
>
> _______________________________________________ Sac mailing list
> [hidden email] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac
>


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Re: [SAC] Hosting for http://openstreetmap.org.ar/

Alex Mandel-2
You just pointed out the hold up. We've never handled a request for
dedicated hardware. If this is something the board wants to back then we
should consider it. Previously we've offer shared hosting to OSGeo
projects, and small informational sites to chapters.

Double the specs requested is actually more than we've given most
projects. On the flip-side, few projects have asked for more, but I'm
not sure anyone knows the mechanism by which to request resources. Seems
these days many just go off and do their own thing (e.g. foss4g sites,
QGIS docker, etc...)

As for hosting in South America, someone would need to find a good place
before we considered that. Can someone put together some quotes for
comparison of hosting this vs. buying hardware?
These look like potential hosting options
http://openvz.org/Hosting_providers#Argentina

Not to muddle the waters, but if we can get the peer1 osgeo1 turned off,
that money can easily be redirected to more hardware. Other than that I
haven't really payed attention to the budget for SAC since we just got
the backup server we wanted. Looks like we do have some funds. My
priority would be to pay to get osgeo1 moved and peer1 off. Then we can
reallocate those funds to projects like this.

Thanks,
Alex

On 03/21/2014 02:19 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:

> (not sorry for cross posting)
>
> Hi,
> I am all for supporting this because it helps diversifying
> infrastructures and follows a think global act local paradigm. Is
> there anything that would prevent OSGeo from providing funds for a
> server located in Argentina? Are we on track with this as a regular
> process of asking for this type of funding? It is very much in line
> with the goals of OSGeo.
>
> Fernando,
> I suggest to double or triple the spec of the box right away and plan
> for at least two years of operation (so that there is some
> continuity). After this period it should either be possible to get
> funding from more local sponsors and/or the OSGeo Local Chapter South
> America / Argentina can take over.
>
> As a side node: The local server for OSM in the German language region
> is funded through FOSSGIS e.V. which is the German language OSGeo
> Local Chapter (and also acts as a point of contact, collects
> sponsorship for OSM and supports OSM events and activities).
>
> Best regards,
> Arnulf
>
> On 03/21/2014 09:14 AM, Jorge Sanz wrote:
>
>
>
>> 2014-03-20 18:53 GMT+01:00 <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>> __
>
>> Hello, I'm Fernando, from the OSM-Ar community.
>
>> First of all, thank you for taking this into consideration.
>
>> For your information, we were running on a humble VPS with the
>> following specs:
>
>> 1Gb RAM 60GB HDD 1 core 500GB of BW
>
>> This setup wasnt really enough, low RAM made on-the-fly rendering
>> quite slow, not handling concurrency nicely, if at all. As the HDD
>> is 60GB caching turned virtually useless, the elevated inodes
>> usage constantly filled the disk.
>
>> Anyway, at least doubling this specs (not the BW), while
>> implementing new techniques and stack might be enough for the mid
>> term.
>
>> We only serve tiles from Argentina, so our DB has only the
>> Geofabrik extract from this country.
>
>> Its not exactly a mirror, as we introduce minor changes in the
>> style, symbols, and localization. [1]
>
>> On the other hand, we constantly "represent" OSM, and FOSS4G when
>> government authorities or representatives show interest on these,
>> wich is quite usual lately. We are a healthy community working on
>> this matter constantly. We love FLOSS and Open Data.
>
>> We aim to get incorporated in the Local Chapters proposal, but we
>> still are a community, not a legal entity. [2] [3]
>
>> About the software:
>
>> OS: Debian 7
>
>> mapnik osm2pgsql postgresql - postgis tilestache nodejs,
>> node-mapnik, tile-live, cartocss nginx
>
>> Also note that I can fully manage the server, so a fresh Debian is
>> all we need.
>
>
>
>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_Argentina [2]
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters [3]
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Agreement
>
>>  For the sake of brevity Ive ommited lots of details on what we do
>> and can do, but I'll be glad to clear further doubts.
>
>> Thanks,
>
>> Fernando Sanz
>
>
>
>
>> Hi, please let me support this request. Fernando is speaking on
>> behalf of an active community. I was with Jeff at FOSS4G Buenos
>> Aires 2013, impressed by their passion and how fast they've built a
>> community of professional and hard working enthusiasts, bringing
>> people from open source and open data realms. Being Geoinquietos
>> Argentina younger than other Geoinquietos groups (kind of
>> microchapters started with FOSS4G 2010 in Barcelona) they accepted
>> and succeed on the challenge of doing a great conference.
>
>
>> -- Jorge Sanz http://www.osgeo.org
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz
>
>
>> _______________________________________________ Sac mailing list
>> [hidden email] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sac mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac
>

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