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stevenfeldman
Sorry to be a rogue on this topic but I think there are strong reasons not to expect (or even allow) the president of the board to be a 4 year post:

  1. It is unrealistic to expect many good candidate to step up to take on a demanding unpaid role for 4 years
  2. Jeff and Arnulf have already expressed the challenges of balancing the day job (particularly when you are running a micro business) with the time needed to be an effective president, surely those challenges will become overwhelming in years 3 and 4?
  3. Potentially a 4 year term implies a president’s agenda that the membership would find difficult to influence once the president had been elected

If I had a vote I would vote for a 2 year term (no more and no less) and with the possibility that a candidate for the presidency serves for 2 years on the board prior to standing for election so that there is some continuity at handover.

The role of president and that of the other board members could be made easier if we were able to support a permanent executive staff member who could carry some of the load.
______
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  1. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
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  2. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
     Portland) (Suchith Anand)
  3. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
     Portland) (Bart van den Eijnden)
  4. Meeting Reminder (today) (Jeff McKenna)
  5. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
     Portland) (Ravi Kumar)

From: Jeff McKenna <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
Date: 17 July 2014 09:59:55 BST


On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
Not good.


Hi Arnulf,

On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
role, build relationships, and make an impact.

Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.

And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
work with him and our organizations.

Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
(that's the best way I can say it).

I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.

Your friend,

-jeff

PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
she says hi too :)








From: Suchith Anand <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
Date: 17 July 2014 10:17:16 BST


Hi all,

My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.

Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.

Suchith


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To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in   Portland)

On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
Not good.


Hi Arnulf,

On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
role, build relationships, and make an impact.

Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.

And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
work with him and our organizations.

Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
(that's the best way I can say it).

I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.

Your friend,

-jeff

PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
she says hi too :)




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From: Bart van den Eijnden <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
Date: 17 July 2014 10:35:38 BST
To: Suchith Anand <[hidden email]>


I agree. I’d say 4 years is good for both min and max (so nothing less than 4, but also nothing more than 4 ideally).

First step is for the (Charter Member) community to re-elect Jeff in the upcoming board elections. Then the board can vote him into presidency again.

Best regards,
Bart

On 17 Jul 2014, at 11:17, Suchith Anand <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,

My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.

Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.

Suchith


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Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in   Portland)

On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
Not good.


Hi Arnulf,

On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
role, build relationships, and make an impact.

Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.

And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
work with him and our organizations.

Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
(that's the best way I can say it).

I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.

Your friend,

-jeff

PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
she says hi too :)




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From: Jeff McKenna <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Board] Meeting Reminder (today)
Date: 17 July 2014 10:47:13 BST
To: osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>


A reminder for today's Board meeting
(http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-07-17).  It will be a
mixture of face-to-face and IRC.

-jeff







From: Ravi Kumar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
Date: 17 July 2014 10:52:15 BST
Reply-To: Ravi Kumar <[hidden email]>


Hi Board,
I also feel that a -4- year term is good for the OSGeo President
to contribute substantially.
OSGeo President, hardly stands a chance for a proverbial 'Burn Out',

+1 for a Four year term for the OSGeo President.
Cheers
Ravi Kumar


On Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:34 PM, Suchith Anand <[hidden email]> wrote:


Hi all,

My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.

Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.

Suchith


From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in  Portland)

On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
> Not good.
>

Hi Arnulf,

On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
role, build relationships, and make an impact.

Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.

And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
work with him and our organizations.

Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
(that's the best way I can say it).

I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.

Your friend,

-jeff

PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
she says hi too :)




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Re: Board Digest, Vol 94, Issue 24

David William Bitner-3
A great step to further on these thoughts is to have an official "president elect" position with some degree of overlap. This would allow that person to "get their feet" to some degree. I've also seen "past president" as official positions in some organizations. If we were to have a 3 year term with one year in each of those positions it could help to maintain continuity while preventing burnout.


Sorry to be a rogue on this topic but I think there are strong reasons not to expect (or even allow) the president of the board to be a 4 year post:

  1. It is unrealistic to expect many good candidate to step up to take on a demanding unpaid role for 4 years
  2. Jeff and Arnulf have already expressed the challenges of balancing the day job (particularly when you are running a micro business) with the time needed to be an effective president, surely those challenges will become overwhelming in years 3 and 4?
  3. Potentially a 4 year term implies a president’s agenda that the membership would find difficult to influence once the president had been elected

If I had a vote I would vote for a 2 year term (no more and no less) and with the possibility that a candidate for the presidency serves for 2 years on the board prior to standing for election so that there is some continuity at handover.

The role of president and that of the other board members could be made easier if we were able to support a permanent executive staff member who could carry some of the load.
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Re: Board Digest, Vol 94, Issue 24

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)-2
In reply to this post by stevenfeldman
I think what we have now is fine, which is:

1) board members are chosen for 2 years, also the president
2) if the president wants to stand again for election as a member of the board, this is allowed
3) if the president wants to be re-elected by the board for his second term, then this is his decision (and the board’s final call)

So president is not a 4 year term, but it’s up to the a) the community b) the president and c) the board to decide whether or not a second term makes sense.

Best regards,
Bart

On 17 Jul 2014, at 16:15, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sorry to be a rogue on this topic but I think there are strong reasons not to expect (or even allow) the president of the board to be a 4 year post:

  1. It is unrealistic to expect many good candidate to step up to take on a demanding unpaid role for 4 years
  2. Jeff and Arnulf have already expressed the challenges of balancing the day job (particularly when you are running a micro business) with the time needed to be an effective president, surely those challenges will become overwhelming in years 3 and 4?
  3. Potentially a 4 year term implies a president’s agenda that the membership would find difficult to influence once the president had been elected

If I had a vote I would vote for a 2 year term (no more and no less) and with the possibility that a candidate for the presidency serves for 2 years on the board prior to standing for election so that there is some continuity at handover.

The role of president and that of the other board members could be made easier if we were able to support a permanent executive staff member who could carry some of the load.
______
Steven


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     Portland) (Suchith Anand)
  3. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
     Portland) (Bart van den Eijnden)
  4. Meeting Reminder (today) (Jeff McKenna)
  5. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
     Portland) (Ravi Kumar)

From: Jeff McKenna <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
Date: 17 July 2014 09:59:55 BST


On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
Not good.


Hi Arnulf,

On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
role, build relationships, and make an impact.

Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.

And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
work with him and our organizations.

Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
(that's the best way I can say it).

I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.

Your friend,

-jeff

PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
she says hi too :)








From: Suchith Anand <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
Date: 17 July 2014 10:17:16 BST


Hi all,

My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.

Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.

Suchith


From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in   Portland)

On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
Not good.


Hi Arnulf,

On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
role, build relationships, and make an impact.

Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.

And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
work with him and our organizations.

Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
(that's the best way I can say it).

I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.

Your friend,

-jeff

PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
she says hi too :)




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From: Bart van den Eijnden <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
Date: 17 July 2014 10:35:38 BST
To: Suchith Anand <[hidden email]>


I agree. I’d say 4 years is good for both min and max (so nothing less than 4, but also nothing more than 4 ideally).

First step is for the (Charter Member) community to re-elect Jeff in the upcoming board elections. Then the board can vote him into presidency again.

Best regards,
Bart

On 17 Jul 2014, at 11:17, Suchith Anand <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,

My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.

Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.

Suchith


From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in   Portland)

On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
Not good.


Hi Arnulf,

On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
role, build relationships, and make an impact.

Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.

And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
work with him and our organizations.

Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
(that's the best way I can say it).

I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.

Your friend,

-jeff

PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
she says hi too :)




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Subject: [Board] Meeting Reminder (today)
Date: 17 July 2014 10:47:13 BST
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A reminder for today's Board meeting
(http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-07-17).  It will be a
mixture of face-to-face and IRC.

-jeff







From: Ravi Kumar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
Date: 17 July 2014 10:52:15 BST
Reply-To: Ravi Kumar <[hidden email]>


Hi Board,
I also feel that a -4- year term is good for the OSGeo President
to contribute substantially.
OSGeo President, hardly stands a chance for a proverbial 'Burn Out',

+1 for a Four year term for the OSGeo President.
Cheers
Ravi Kumar


On Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:34 PM, Suchith Anand <[hidden email]> wrote:


Hi all,

My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.

Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.

Suchith


From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in  Portland)

On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
> Not good.
>

Hi Arnulf,

On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
role, build relationships, and make an impact.

Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.

And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
work with him and our organizations.

Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
(that's the best way I can say it).

I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.

Your friend,

-jeff

PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
she says hi too :)




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Re: Board Digest, Vol 94, Issue 24

Eli Adam
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Bart van den Eijnden <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I think what we have now is fine, which is:
>
> 1) board members are chosen for 2 years, also the president
> 2) if the president wants to stand again for election as a member of the
> board, this is allowed
> 3) if the president wants to be re-elected by the board for his second term,
> then this is his decision (and the board’s final call)

I agree that the existing situation is fine and does not prevent a
President from serving 4 years.  Considering setting a term limit of 4
consecutive years might be worth considering.  A president could seve
for a shorter duration or may not be reelected to the Board or
selected as President.  An individual could serve more than 4 years
but not consecutively.

...

> On 17 Jul 2014, at 16:15, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:

...
>
> The role of president and that of the other board members could be made
> easier if we were able to support a permanent executive staff member who
> could carry some of the load.

You're hitting on what seems to be the unaddressed contradiction here.
It appears doing the President's role well could cost between
$50-100K.  The OSGeo Board in recent history determined that OSGeo can
not afford to spend very much money and set out some principles which,
like a broken record, Cameron continually links to and I do again,
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2013-02-26#Board_Priorities

What we expect the President to do and at what expense and the Board
priorities must be reconciled.

The lists have been very active with these and various related ideas
(membership continuations, etc).  A BOF at FOSS4G might be a good
place to discuss some of these issues.

I do think that it is inappropriate for the President to substantially
contribute to the expense the President's duties.

Best regards, Eli

> ______
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>
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>   1. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
>      Portland) (Jeff McKenna)
>   2. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
>      Portland) (Suchith Anand)
>   3. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
>      Portland) (Bart van den Eijnden)
>   4. Meeting Reminder (today) (Jeff McKenna)
>   5. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
>      Portland) (Ravi Kumar)
>
> From: Jeff McKenna <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 09:59:55 BST
> To: [hidden email]
>
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>
> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
> Not good.
>
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Suchith Anand <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:17:16 BST
> To: Jeff McKenna <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]"
> <[hidden email]>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This
> is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and
> grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.
>
> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us
> globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at
> FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider
> min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.
>
> Suchith
>
>
> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>
> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
> Not good.
>
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
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> From: Bart van den Eijnden <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:35:38 BST
> To: Suchith Anand <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>
>
> I agree. I’d say 4 years is good for both min and max (so nothing less than
> 4, but also nothing more than 4 ideally).
>
> First step is for the (Charter Member) community to re-elect Jeff in the
> upcoming board elections. Then the board can vote him into presidency again.
>
> Best regards,
> Bart
>
> On 17 Jul 2014, at 11:17, Suchith Anand <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This
> is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and
> grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.
>
> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us
> globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at
> FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider
> min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.
>
> Suchith
>
>
> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>
> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
> Not good.
>
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: [Board] Meeting Reminder (today)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:47:13 BST
> To: osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>
>
>
> A reminder for today's Board meeting
> (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-07-17).  It will be a
> mixture of face-to-face and IRC.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ravi Kumar <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:52:15 BST
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Reply-To: Ravi Kumar <[hidden email]>
>
>
> Hi Board,
> I also feel that a -4- year term is good for the OSGeo President
> to contribute substantially.
> OSGeo President, hardly stands a chance for a proverbial 'Burn Out',
>
> +1 for a Four year term for the OSGeo President.
> Cheers
> Ravi Kumar
>
>
> On Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:34 PM, Suchith Anand
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This
> is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and
> grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.
>
> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us
> globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at
> FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider
> min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.
>
> Suchith
>
>
> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
>> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
>> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
>> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
>> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
>> Not good.
>>
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
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Re: Board Digest, Vol 94, Issue 24

jmckenna
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In reply to this post by Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)-2
Hi Bart,

I suppose my term is not a standard one, because I replaced Frank in
December of 2012; then in Nottingham (Sept 2013) the Board named me
president during the Face-to-Face meeting.  So according to process you
mentioned, I do wonder where I will be come September in the Board's
eyes (about to begin my second year of my 'first 2 year term', or...etc.

I officially will re-stand for the Board (if nominated) and feel
strongly that my total length as President should be 4 years.

However if this is becoming noise to some (like if some feel we should
be speaking of more important topics), we can discuss this at the next
face-to-face meeting (or face-to-cam ha).

-jeff



On 2014-07-17, 6:19 PM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:

> I think what we have now is fine, which is:
>
> 1) board members are chosen for 2 years, also the president
> 2) if the president wants to stand again for election as a member of the
> board, this is allowed
> 3) if the president wants to be re-elected by the board for his second
> term, then this is his decision (and the board’s final call)
>
> So president is not a 4 year term, but it’s up to the a) the community
> b) the president and c) the board to decide whether or not a second term
> makes sense.
>
> Best regards,
> Bart
>
> On 17 Jul 2014, at 16:15, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to be a rogue on this topic but I think there are strong reasons
>> not to expect (or even allow) the president of the board to be a 4
>> year post:
>>
>>  1. It is unrealistic to expect many good candidate to step up to take
>>     on a demanding unpaid role for 4 years
>>  2. Jeff and Arnulf have already expressed the challenges of balancing
>>     the day job (particularly when you are running a micro business)
>>     with the time needed to be an effective president, surely those
>>     challenges will become overwhelming in years 3 and 4?
>>  3. Potentially a 4 year term implies a president’s agenda that the
>>     membership would find difficult to influence once the president
>>     had been elected
>>
>>
>> If I had a vote I would vote for a 2 year term (no more and no less)
>> and with the possibility that a candidate for the presidency serves
>> for 2 years on the board prior to standing for election so that there
>> is some continuity at handover.
>>
>> The role of president and that of the other board members could be
>> made easier if we were able to support a permanent executive staff
>> member who could carry some of the load.
>> ______
>> Steven
>>
>>
>> On 17 Jul 2014, at 10:53, [hidden email]
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>>>      Portland) (Suchith Anand)
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>>>      Portland) (Bart van den Eijnden)
>>>   4. Meeting Reminder (today) (Jeff McKenna)
>>>   5. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: Myattendancein
>>>      Portland) (Ravi Kumar)
>>>
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>>> *Subject: **Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance
>>> in Portland)*
>>> *Date: *17 July 2014 09:59:55 BST
>>> *To: *[hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>>>> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
>>>> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
>>>> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
>>>> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
>>>> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
>>>> Not good.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Arnulf,
>>>
>>> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
>>> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
>>> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
>>> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
>>> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
>>> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
>>> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
>>> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
>>> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>>>
>>> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
>>> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
>>> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
>>> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>>>
>>> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
>>> work with him and our organizations.
>>>
>>> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
>>> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
>>> (that's the best way I can say it).
>>>
>>> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
>>> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
>>> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> Your friend,
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
>>> she says hi too :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Suchith Anand <[hidden email]>
>>> *Subject: **Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance
>>> in Portland)*
>>> *Date: *17 July 2014 10:17:16 BST
>>> *To: *Jeff McKenna <[hidden email]>,
>>> "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term
>>> . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for
>>> people to learn and grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not
>>> good for the organisation.
>>>
>>> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively
>>> promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested
>>> him when i met him at FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo
>>> President to please consider min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he
>>> is considering this.
>>>
>>> Suchith
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
>>> On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
>>>   Portland)
>>>
>>> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>>>> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
>>>> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
>>>> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
>>>> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
>>>> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
>>>> Not good.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Arnulf,
>>>
>>> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
>>> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
>>> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
>>> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
>>> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
>>> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
>>> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
>>> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
>>> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>>>
>>> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
>>> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
>>> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
>>> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>>>
>>> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
>>> work with him and our organizations.
>>>
>>> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
>>> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
>>> (that's the best way I can say it).
>>>
>>> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
>>> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
>>> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> Your friend,
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
>>> she says hi too :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From: *Bart van den Eijnden <[hidden email]>
>>> *Subject: **Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance
>>> in Portland)*
>>> *Date: *17 July 2014 10:35:38 BST
>>> *To: *Suchith Anand <[hidden email]>
>>> *Cc: *"[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree. I’d say 4 years is good for both min and max (so nothing
>>> less than 4, but also nothing more than 4 ideally).
>>>
>>> First step is for the (Charter Member) community to re-elect Jeff in
>>> the upcoming board elections. Then the board can vote him into
>>> presidency again.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> On 17 Jul 2014, at 11:17, Suchith Anand
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year
>>>> term . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for
>>>> people to learn and grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is
>>>> not good for the organisation.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively
>>>> promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested
>>>> him when i met him at FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as
>>>> OSGeo President to please consider min. 4 year term.  I am happy to
>>>> see he is considering this.
>>>>
>>>> Suchith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
>>>> On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [[hidden email]]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance
>>>> in   Portland)
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>>>>> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
>>>>> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
>>>>> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
>>>>> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
>>>>> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
>>>>> Not good.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Arnulf,
>>>>
>>>> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
>>>> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
>>>> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
>>>> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
>>>> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
>>>> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
>>>> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
>>>> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
>>>> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>>>>
>>>> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
>>>> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
>>>> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
>>>> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>>>>
>>>> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
>>>> work with him and our organizations.
>>>>
>>>> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
>>>> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
>>>> (that's the best way I can say it).
>>>>
>>>> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
>>>> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
>>>> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Your friend,
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
>>>> she says hi too :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.
>>>>   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in
>>>> this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed
>>>> by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of
>>>> the University of Nottingham.
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>>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
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>>>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer
>>>> system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
>>>> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Jeff McKenna <[hidden email]>
>>> *Subject: **[Board] Meeting Reminder (today)*
>>> *Date: *17 July 2014 10:47:13 BST
>>> *To: *osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>
>>> A reminder for today's Board meeting
>>> (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-07-17).  It will be a
>>> mixture of face-to-face and IRC.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Ravi Kumar <[hidden email]>
>>> *Subject: **Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance
>>> in Portland)*
>>> *Date: *17 July 2014 10:52:15 BST
>>> *To: *"[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>>> *Reply-To: *Ravi Kumar <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Board,
>>> I also feel that a -4- year term is good for the OSGeo President
>>> to contribute substantially.
>>> OSGeo President, hardly stands a chance for a proverbial 'Burn Out',
>>>
>>> +1 for a Four year term for the OSGeo President.
>>> Cheers
>>> Ravi Kumar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:34 PM, Suchith Anand
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term
>>> . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for
>>> people to learn and grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not
>>> good for the organisation.
>>>
>>> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively
>>> promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested
>>> him when i met him at FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo
>>> President to please consider min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he
>>> is considering this.
>>>
>>> Suchith
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]> [[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna
>>> [[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>]
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
>>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance
>>> in  Portland)
>>>
>>> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>>> > Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
>>> > one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
>>> > Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
>>> > one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
>>> > burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
>>> > Not good.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Hi Arnulf,
>>>
>>> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
>>> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
>>> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
>>> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
>>> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
>>> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
>>> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
>>> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
>>> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>>>
>>> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
>>> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
>>> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
>>> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>>>
>>> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
>>> work with him and our organizations.
>>>
>>> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
>>> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
>>> (that's the best way I can say it).
>>>
>>> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
>>> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
>>> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> Your friend,
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
>>> she says hi too :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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