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[QGIS-Developer] 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

Nyall Dawson
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Now that we're in hard freeze for the 3.10.0 release, should we be branching off the release-3_10 branch now and unfreezing master for 3.12?

Nyall

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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

René-Luc Dhont
+1 for branching off the release-3_10

Le 14/10/2019 à 01:34, Nyall Dawson a écrit :
(Subject says it .... )

Now that we're in hard freeze for the 3.10.0 release, should we be branching off the release-3_10 branch now and unfreezing master for 3.12?

Nyall

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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

Peter Petrik
+1 
P

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 1:49 AM René-Luc Dhont <[hidden email]> wrote:
+1 for branching off the release-3_10

Le 14/10/2019 à 01:34, Nyall Dawson a écrit :
(Subject says it .... )

Now that we're in hard freeze for the 3.10.0 release, should we be branching off the release-3_10 branch now and unfreezing master for 3.12?

Nyall

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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

Jürgen E. Fischer
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Hi Nyall,

On Mon, 14. Oct 2019 at 09:34:13 +1000, Nyall Dawson wrote:
> (Subject says it .... )
>
> Now that we're in hard freeze for the 3.10.0 release, should we be
> branching off the release-3_10 branch now and unfreezing master for 3.12?

-1 as branching is part of the release process.


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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

Régis Haubourg
Hi all,
Same à Jürgen , -1
régis

Le lun. 14 oct. 2019 à 08:36, Jürgen E. Fischer <[hidden email]> a écrit :

>
> Hi Nyall,
>
> On Mon, 14. Oct 2019 at 09:34:13 +1000, Nyall Dawson wrote:
> > (Subject says it .... )
> >
> > Now that we're in hard freeze for the 3.10.0 release, should we be
> > branching off the release-3_10 branch now and unfreezing master for 3.12?
>
> -1 as branching is part of the release process.
>
>
> Jürgen
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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

3nids
Hi all,

I don't have a strong opinion, but it would be good to have pros and cons to decide.

Jürgen, since you are the release manager, are you saying it's not a good idea (why?) or rather that you have to modify the procedure (meaning more work)?

If this situation is going to happen again, it would be nice to discuss before voting and take a wise decision.


Cheers,
Denis

Le lun. 14 oct. 2019 à 09:04, Régis Haubourg <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hi all,
Same à Jürgen , -1
régis

Le lun. 14 oct. 2019 à 08:36, Jürgen E. Fischer <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
> Hi Nyall,
>
> On Mon, 14. Oct 2019 at 09:34:13 +1000, Nyall Dawson wrote:
> > (Subject says it .... )
> >
> > Now that we're in hard freeze for the 3.10.0 release, should we be
> > branching off the release-3_10 branch now and unfreezing master for 3.12?
>
> -1 as branching is part of the release process.
>
>
> Jürgen
>
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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

Régis Haubourg
Hi,
Since the hard freeze tag, I realize that many dev's didn't expect
this to happen this way. The hard freeze concept doesn't seem so
clear.
We currently have some frozen PR that we need (really) to land into
the future LTR.
We did start long time ago for each of them, it is not about late
work. But we must recognize some of those were hard work (like the
parallelized snapping cache builidng thing)
We also have features for the server waiting.
And we must recognized we need more persons for the review process to
speed up the process.

I don't think we can branch now, as it is the first time we play the
hard freeze process for real for a LTR, we have to discuss some
pending PR's.

Cheers
Régis

Le lun. 14 oct. 2019 à 09:15, Denis Rouzaud <[hidden email]> a écrit :

>
> Hi all,
>
> I don't have a strong opinion, but it would be good to have pros and cons to decide.
>
> Jürgen, since you are the release manager, are you saying it's not a good idea (why?) or rather that you have to modify the procedure (meaning more work)?
>
> If this situation is going to happen again, it would be nice to discuss before voting and take a wise decision.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Denis
>
> Le lun. 14 oct. 2019 à 09:04, Régis Haubourg <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Same à Jürgen , -1
>> régis
>>
>> Le lun. 14 oct. 2019 à 08:36, Jürgen E. Fischer <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>> >
>> > Hi Nyall,
>> >
>> > On Mon, 14. Oct 2019 at 09:34:13 +1000, Nyall Dawson wrote:
>> > > (Subject says it .... )
>> > >
>> > > Now that we're in hard freeze for the 3.10.0 release, should we be
>> > > branching off the release-3_10 branch now and unfreezing master for 3.12?
>> >
>> > -1 as branching is part of the release process.
>> >
>> >
>> > Jürgen
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Dipl.-Inf. (FH)             Rheinstraße 13          Fax. +49-4931-918175-50
>> > Software Engineer           D-26506 Norden            https://www.norbit.de
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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

Jürgen E. Fischer
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On Mon, 14. Oct 2019 at 09:14:58 +0200, Denis Rouzaud wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I don't have a strong opinion, but it would be good to have pros and cons
> to decide.
>
> Jürgen, since you are the release manager, are you saying it's not a good
> idea (why?) or rather that you have to modify the procedure (meaning more
> work)?

The only gain I see is that we can just continue working on master earlier.

Branching off also means that we have to put the new version number on that
branch prior to the actual release.   The nightly build scripts will not expect
to see a new branch and handle it like it as if it was a new release.   When to
merge and how to update translations in the meantime is also unclear (transifex
is tied to the branches we current have).



Jürgen

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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

Mathieu Pellerin
I'm also -0 to branch off early, as I think it's a missed opportunity to get core devs to stick to soon-to-be-released 3.10 for as long as possible (and therefore oh-so slightly increase the chance of core devs stumbling on a bug he/she can fix prior to release :) ) .

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 4:02 PM Jürgen E. Fischer <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Mon, 14. Oct 2019 at 09:14:58 +0200, Denis Rouzaud wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I don't have a strong opinion, but it would be good to have pros and cons
> to decide.
>
> Jürgen, since you are the release manager, are you saying it's not a good
> idea (why?) or rather that you have to modify the procedure (meaning more
> work)?

The only gain I see is that we can just continue working on master earlier.

Branching off also means that we have to put the new version number on that
branch prior to the actual release.   The nightly build scripts will not expect
to see a new branch and handle it like it as if it was a new release.   When to
merge and how to update translations in the meantime is also unclear (transifex
is tied to the branches we current have).



Jürgen

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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

DelazJ
Hi all,

If I may, it's maybe time to begin compilation of the changelog....

Harrissou

Le lun. 14 oct. 2019 à 12:25, Mathieu Pellerin <[hidden email]> a écrit :
I'm also -0 to branch off early, as I think it's a missed opportunity to get core devs to stick to soon-to-be-released 3.10 for as long as possible (and therefore oh-so slightly increase the chance of core devs stumbling on a bug he/she can fix prior to release :) ) .

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 4:02 PM Jürgen E. Fischer <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Mon, 14. Oct 2019 at 09:14:58 +0200, Denis Rouzaud wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I don't have a strong opinion, but it would be good to have pros and cons
> to decide.
>
> Jürgen, since you are the release manager, are you saying it's not a good
> idea (why?) or rather that you have to modify the procedure (meaning more
> work)?

The only gain I see is that we can just continue working on master earlier.

Branching off also means that we have to put the new version number on that
branch prior to the actual release.   The nightly build scripts will not expect
to see a new branch and handle it like it as if it was a new release.   When to
merge and how to update translations in the meantime is also unclear (transifex
is tied to the branches we current have).



Jürgen

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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

René-Luc Dhont
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Hi devs,

I remove my +1 for branching version 3.10 before release, but we have an
issue in QGIS managing stale tag for frozen branch.

Some Pull Requests with frozen tag has been tagged stale by the github
probot-stale.

René-Luc


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Re: 3.10.0 in hard freeze, should we branch master as unfreeze for 3.12?

Etienne Trimaille
René-Luc, the only exempt label for the bot is "Merge after thaw":

It should be applied when a PR is approved and waiting for the branch to be unfrozen.

Le lun. 14 oct. 2019 à 15:12, René-Luc Dhont <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hi devs,

I remove my +1 for branching version 3.10 before release, but we have an
issue in QGIS managing stale tag for frozen branch.

Some Pull Requests with frozen tag has been tagged stale by the github
probot-stale.

René-Luc


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