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jody.garnett
OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).

Questions:
- Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
- Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations certified?

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jmckenna
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Hi Jody,

Thanks for picking up the ball on this.  Actually I had added this topic
to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few weeks ago, but this new
Projects list is indeed the best place to discuss this.  Thanks.

At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues with the OGC's Luis
Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so hopefully we can all work
together to get things set up here now:

- a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation' organization/account was
created (visible at http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/)

- therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo' account with password.  The
contact name is listed as myself and the contact email is
info(at)osgeo.org.  My plan is/was to motion to the Board this Thursday
to pass the account details to the OSGeo Secretary, so he/she can help
manage/distribute these connection details to OSGeo Project officers
whenever necessary.  (we can login at
http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration)

- goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our projects) listed under the
one OSGeo organization.

- the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo officers (legal representatives
of the foundation, and therefore legal authority over the
'product'/project) can submit implementations etc.

- we therefore made a push with the OSGeo Secretary recently to make
sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate (i.e. who exactly is an
officer of OSGeo:
http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html)

- MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were transferred from Daniel
Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization account, with the help of
Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.

- to answer your questions, this is the process we must all figure out
what is best and makes the most sense, but personally I believe to get
other projects like GeoServer added to the list, the project's officer
should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@) initially, and then the
secretary will provide account access for submissions etc.

Some unresolved issues:

- there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?

- how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation?  (such as
Rasdaman)  Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact, considered
as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?

Thoughts?

Let's all work through this together :)

-jeff






On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

> OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see
> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).
>
> Questions:
> - Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
> - Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations certified?
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
>
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Re: OGC products list

jmckenna
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On 2014-10-14 4:48 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:

> Hi Jody,
>
> Thanks for picking up the ball on this.  Actually I had added this topic
> to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few weeks ago, but this new
> Projects list is indeed the best place to discuss this.  Thanks.
>
> At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues with the OGC's Luis
> Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so hopefully we can all work
> together to get things set up here now:
>
> - a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation' organization/account was
> created (visible at http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/)
>
> - therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo' account with password.  The
> contact name is listed as myself and the contact email is
> info(at)osgeo.org.  My plan is/was to motion to the Board this Thursday
> to pass the account details to the OSGeo Secretary, so he/she can help
> manage/distribute these connection details to OSGeo Project officers
> whenever necessary.  (we can login at
> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration)
>
> - goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our projects) listed under the
> one OSGeo organization.
>
> - the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo officers (legal representatives
> of the foundation, and therefore legal authority over the
> 'product'/project) can submit implementations etc.
>
> - we therefore made a push with the OSGeo Secretary recently to make
> sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate (i.e. who exactly is an
> officer of OSGeo:
> http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html)
>
> - MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were transferred from Daniel
> Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization account, with the help of
> Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.
>
> - to answer your questions, this is the process we must all figure out
> what is best and makes the most sense, but personally I believe to get
> other projects like GeoServer added to the list, the project's officer
> should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@) initially, and then the
> secretary will provide account access for submissions etc.

Of course I forgot to mention that in the case of GeoServer, the records
are currently being maintained by Boundless, and a transfer of sorts
would have to occur.

Anyway I'm interested to hear yours and all project officer's opinions.
  I can then bring this to the OSGeo Board on Thursday.


>
> Some unresolved issues:
>
> - there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?
>
> - how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation?  (such as
> Rasdaman)  Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact, considered
> as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Let's all work through this together :)
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>> OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see
>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).
>>
>> Questions:
>> - Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
>> - Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations certified?
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
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Re: OGC products list

Cameron Shorter
Jeff, Jody,
I agree that there is value in OSGeo projects being listed in the OGC
portal, and that we should work out what OGC and OSGeo consider as a
requirement for listing a project.

Looking at: http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration
It seems that any application can be registered, free of charge? To get
to the next level of "certified" or "reference implementation" might
cost more.
Luis, are you able to explain this further, or point at a URL which
explains costs?

I agree with Jeff that we at OSGeo should work out a process for
registering compliant products with the OGC. I suggest that this should
become part of the OSGeo Incubation process, which in turn should be
referenced from the OSGeo-Live processes.

Jeff,
I notice that MapCache (which I understand is associated with MapServer)
has been registered separately with OGC, but MapCache is not referenced
as one of our OSGeo projects at: http://osgeo.org . I suggest that we
should do something about that.

We should be working out what criteria projects require before they can
be listed under an OSGeo banner on OGC compliant products page. Only
graduated projects? Graduated and Incubating projects? Any project
listed on OSGeo-Live? Any project which has self registered to be part
of OSGeo Labs? Any Open Source project with some geospatial functionality?
I'd like to hear OGC's thoughts on this. Does the OGC have any quality
requirements for listing applications?

On 15/10/2014 7:58 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:

> On 2014-10-14 4:48 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>> Hi Jody,
>>
>> Thanks for picking up the ball on this.  Actually I had added this topic
>> to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few weeks ago, but this new
>> Projects list is indeed the best place to discuss this.  Thanks.
>>
>> At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues with the OGC's Luis
>> Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so hopefully we can all work
>> together to get things set up here now:
>>
>> - a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation' organization/account was
>> created (visible at http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/)
>>
>> - therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo' account with password.  The
>> contact name is listed as myself and the contact email is
>> info(at)osgeo.org.  My plan is/was to motion to the Board this Thursday
>> to pass the account details to the OSGeo Secretary, so he/she can help
>> manage/distribute these connection details to OSGeo Project officers
>> whenever necessary.  (we can login at
>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration)
>>
>> - goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our projects) listed under the
>> one OSGeo organization.
>>
>> - the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo officers (legal representatives
>> of the foundation, and therefore legal authority over the
>> 'product'/project) can submit implementations etc.
>>
>> - we therefore made a push with the OSGeo Secretary recently to make
>> sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate (i.e. who exactly is an
>> officer of OSGeo:
>> http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html)
>>
>> - MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were transferred from Daniel
>> Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization account, with the help of
>> Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.
>>
>> - to answer your questions, this is the process we must all figure out
>> what is best and makes the most sense, but personally I believe to get
>> other projects like GeoServer added to the list, the project's officer
>> should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@) initially, and then the
>> secretary will provide account access for submissions etc.
>
> Of course I forgot to mention that in the case of GeoServer, the
> records are currently being maintained by Boundless, and a transfer of
> sorts would have to occur.
>
> Anyway I'm interested to hear yours and all project officer's
> opinions.  I can then bring this to the OSGeo Board on Thursday.
>
>
>>
>> Some unresolved issues:
>>
>> - there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?
>>
>> - how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation? (such as
>> Rasdaman)  Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact, considered
>> as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Let's all work through this together :)
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>> OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see
>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).
>>>
>>> Questions:
>>> - Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
>>> - Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations
>>> certified?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
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jody.garnett
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Thanks for jumping on this. I spoke to several OGC members in Calgary and was thus aware of some of what is going on.

> Some unresolved issues:
>
> - there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?

We may be able to arrange a contribution in kind (ie OGC may be in position to defer these costs as part of the relationship between the two organisations) although I would feel better I'd OSGeo could cover these costs in order to point to a solid benefit of joining our foundation. Indeed this activity hits several of our stated goals.

> - how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation?  (such as Rasdaman)  Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact, considered as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?

Afraid not, we really want that assurance that projects are open source. All we would end up doing is putting up a higher gate to entering incubation with out the benefit of a mentor to ask questions.

> Thoughts?

Great to see some benefit out of our long-standing collaboration with OGC.

> Let's all work through this together :)

I am not sure about using this list for discussions. If it becomes a place too work on things together it will loose value for quick efficient communication. Guess we can figure it out over time.

>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>> OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see
>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).
>>
>> Questions:
>> - Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
>> - Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations certified?
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
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Re: OGC products list

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Hi Cameron, et. al.


On Oct 14, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jeff, Jody,
I agree that there is value in OSGeo projects being listed in the OGC portal, and that we should work out what OGC and OSGeo consider as a requirement for listing a project.

Looking at: http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration
It seems that any application can be registered, free of charge?

Yes.

To get to the next level of "certified" or "reference implementation" might cost more.

There is no cost if you set up a server (endpoint) for others to exercise for free.

Luis, are you able to explain this further, or point at a URL which explains costs?

If you want to pay the fees
in the case of OSGeo it will be $80 per year per product per standard


I agree with Jeff that we at OSGeo should work out a process for registering compliant products with the OGC. I suggest that this should become part of the OSGeo Incubation process, which in turn should be referenced from the OSGeo-Live processes.

And you need to update the database, for example every time a new project implements a new standard.


Jeff,
I notice that MapCache (which I understand is associated with MapServer) has been registered separately with OGC, but MapCache is not referenced as one of our OSGeo projects at: http://osgeo.org . I suggest that we should do something about that.

We should be working out what criteria projects require before they can be listed under an OSGeo banner on OGC compliant products page. Only graduated projects? Graduated and Incubating projects? Any project listed on OSGeo-Live? Any project which has self registered to be part of OSGeo Labs? Any Open Source project with some geospatial functionality?

The issue is that we need an organization to be "legally" responsible for the project that is claiming compliance. This organization is the one that we will give the trademark license to use to OGC Certified logo. The question to ask is: Is OSGeo only legally responsible for graduated projects?

I'd like to hear OGC's thoughts on this. Does the OGC have any quality requirements for listing applications?

Anyone can list an application in the OGC implementation database. We clean it periodically, for example to spot  fake organizations or products. This rarely happens.

Please let me know how else can I help.

- Luis

---------------------------------------------------
Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.
Director Compliance Program
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
The OGC: Making Location Count

Skype: bermudez_luis
Twitter: @berdez
Tel: +1 301 760 7323
http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez



On 15/10/2014 7:58 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
On 2014-10-14 4:48 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
Hi Jody,

Thanks for picking up the ball on this.  Actually I had added this topic
to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few weeks ago, but this new
Projects list is indeed the best place to discuss this.  Thanks.

At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues with the OGC's Luis
Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so hopefully we can all work
together to get things set up here now:

- a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation' organization/account was
created (visible at http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/)

- therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo' account with password.  The
contact name is listed as myself and the contact email is
info(at)osgeo.org.  My plan is/was to motion to the Board this Thursday
to pass the account details to the OSGeo Secretary, so he/she can help
manage/distribute these connection details to OSGeo Project officers
whenever necessary.  (we can login at
http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration)

- goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our projects) listed under the
one OSGeo organization.

- the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo officers (legal representatives
of the foundation, and therefore legal authority over the
'product'/project) can submit implementations etc.

- we therefore made a push with the OSGeo Secretary recently to make
sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate (i.e. who exactly is an
officer of OSGeo:
http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html)

- MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were transferred from Daniel
Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization account, with the help of
Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.

- to answer your questions, this is the process we must all figure out
what is best and makes the most sense, but personally I believe to get
other projects like GeoServer added to the list, the project's officer
should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@) initially, and then the
secretary will provide account access for submissions etc.

Of course I forgot to mention that in the case of GeoServer, the records are currently being maintained by Boundless, and a transfer of sorts would have to occur.

Anyway I'm interested to hear yours and all project officer's opinions.  I can then bring this to the OSGeo Board on Thursday.



Some unresolved issues:

- there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?

- how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation? (such as
Rasdaman)  Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact, considered
as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?

Thoughts?

Let's all work through this together :)

-jeff






On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see
http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).

Questions:
- Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
- Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations certified?

--
Jody Garnett


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P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com,  F +61 2 9009 5099



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Re: OGC products list

jmckenna
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Hi Jody, my comments are inline below:

On 2014-10-14 10:20 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> Thanks for jumping on this. I spoke to several OGC members in Calgary and was thus aware of some of what is going on.

And thanks for the nudge, you are right, we need to keep the momentum
going with the OGC.

>
>> Some unresolved issues:
>>
>> - there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?
>
> We may be able to arrange a contribution in kind (ie OGC may be in position to defer these costs as part of the relationship between the two organisations) although I would feel better I'd OSGeo could cover these costs in order to point to a solid benefit of joining our foundation. Indeed this activity hits several of our stated goals.
>

I also would hope that OSGeo could cover these costs (as explained by
Luis, $80 per year per product per standard for using “Certified OGC
Compliant” trademark).  I wonder what the ballpark yearly cost would be
for all of our projects/products?  Should we/OSGeo budget for $5,000 USD
each year for this total cost?  Or is my math way underestimated?

>> - how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation?  (such as Rasdaman)  Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact, considered as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?
>
> Afraid not, we really want that assurance that projects are open source. All we would end up doing is putting up a higher gate to entering incubation with out the benefit of a mentor to ask questions.

I also agree with you, I was asking but in fact realized that we
cannot/should not allow incubating projects to automatically act as
officers.  Thanks for clarifying this.

>> Thoughts?
>
> Great to see some benefit out of our long-standing collaboration with OGC.

agreed.

>
>> Let's all work through this together :)
>
> I am not sure about using this list for discussions. If it becomes a place too work on things together it will loose value for quick efficient communication. Guess we can figure it out over time.
>>

I feel the same way as you: I am not 100% sure the best place for
discussions, so we will start here and see.

Any other thoughts from other projects?

-jeff



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Re: OGC products list

Cameron Shorter
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Hi Luis,
The nature of Open Source licenses is that the code can be owned by multiple people. This is the case for many OSGeo projects. I'm pretty sure PostGIS falls under that category, and I note that Boundless have registered PostGIS as implementing OGC standards.

So by that precedence, OSGeo would be able to list any of the Open Source Geospatial projects associated with OSGeo as implementing OGC standards, be they incubated, in incubation, or even just self registering in OSGeo Labs.
Is that correct?

Extending on that logic, I'd suggest that OSGeo should be able to pay to have an Open Source GIS project "certified OGC compliant", even though OSGeo doesn't own the code. For example, OSGeo could pay to have PostGIS certified, even though OSGeo doesn't legally own the code. (PostGIS is an OSGeo graduated project).
Is that correct?

Now moving onto OSGeo projects. OSGeo projects are already encouraged to make use of OGC standards.
I'd suggest that our graduation process should encourage projects to run and pass CITE certification tests for relevant standards (update to graduation process required).
Part of project build and release processes should involve verifying CITE tests work. (Update to project processes required)
The passing of CITE certification should be advertised in OSGeo marketing, such as the OSGeo-Live documentation (update to OSGeo-Live documentation template required).
For OSGeo Graduated projects, I'd suggest that OSGeo should consider offering to pay for official CITE testing. (An incentive for projects to compete graduation). We would need to consider the business case behind this before proceeding.

On 15/10/2014 1:14 pm, Luis Bermudez wrote:
Hi Cameron, et. al.


On Oct 14, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jeff, Jody,
I agree that there is value in OSGeo projects being listed in the OGC portal, and that we should work out what OGC and OSGeo consider as a requirement for listing a project.

Looking at: http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration
It seems that any application can be registered, free of charge?

Yes.

To get to the next level of "certified" or "reference implementation" might cost more.

There is no cost if you set up a server (endpoint) for others to exercise for free.

Luis, are you able to explain this further, or point at a URL which explains costs?

If you want to pay the fees
in the case of OSGeo it will be $80 per year per product per standard


I agree with Jeff that we at OSGeo should work out a process for registering compliant products with the OGC. I suggest that this should become part of the OSGeo Incubation process, which in turn should be referenced from the OSGeo-Live processes.

And you need to update the database, for example every time a new project implements a new standard.


Jeff,
I notice that MapCache (which I understand is associated with MapServer) has been registered separately with OGC, but MapCache is not referenced as one of our OSGeo projects at: http://osgeo.org . I suggest that we should do something about that.

We should be working out what criteria projects require before they can be listed under an OSGeo banner on OGC compliant products page. Only graduated projects? Graduated and Incubating projects? Any project listed on OSGeo-Live? Any project which has self registered to be part of OSGeo Labs? Any Open Source project with some geospatial functionality?

The issue is that we need an organization to be "legally" responsible for the project that is claiming compliance. This organization is the one that we will give the trademark license to use to OGC Certified logo. The question to ask is: Is OSGeo only legally responsible for graduated projects?

I'd like to hear OGC's thoughts on this. Does the OGC have any quality requirements for listing applications?

Anyone can list an application in the OGC implementation database. We clean it periodically, for example to spot  fake organizations or products. This rarely happens.

Please let me know how else can I help.

- Luis

---------------------------------------------------
Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.
Director Compliance Program
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
The OGC: Making Location Count

Skype: bermudez_luis
Twitter: @berdez
Tel: +1 301 760 7323
http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez



On 15/10/2014 7:58 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
On 2014-10-14 4:48 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
Hi Jody,

Thanks for picking up the ball on this.  Actually I had added this topic
to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few weeks ago, but this new
Projects list is indeed the best place to discuss this.  Thanks.

At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues with the OGC's Luis
Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so hopefully we can all work
together to get things set up here now:

- a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation' organization/account was
created (visible at http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/)

- therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo' account with password.  The
contact name is listed as myself and the contact email is
info(at)osgeo.org.  My plan is/was to motion to the Board this Thursday
to pass the account details to the OSGeo Secretary, so he/she can help
manage/distribute these connection details to OSGeo Project officers
whenever necessary.  (we can login at
http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration)

- goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our projects) listed under the
one OSGeo organization.

- the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo officers (legal representatives
of the foundation, and therefore legal authority over the
'product'/project) can submit implementations etc.

- we therefore made a push with the OSGeo Secretary recently to make
sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate (i.e. who exactly is an
officer of OSGeo:
http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html)

- MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were transferred from Daniel
Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization account, with the help of
Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.

- to answer your questions, this is the process we must all figure out
what is best and makes the most sense, but personally I believe to get
other projects like GeoServer added to the list, the project's officer
should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@) initially, and then the
secretary will provide account access for submissions etc.

Of course I forgot to mention that in the case of GeoServer, the records are currently being maintained by Boundless, and a transfer of sorts would have to occur.

Anyway I'm interested to hear yours and all project officer's opinions.  I can then bring this to the OSGeo Board on Thursday.



Some unresolved issues:

- there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?

- how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation? (such as
Rasdaman)  Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact, considered
as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?

Thoughts?

Let's all work through this together :)

-jeff






On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see
http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).

Questions:
- Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
- Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations certified?

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bermud
Dear Cameron,

Sorry this took a little bit long to respond.

1) OSGeo claims that it "provides a legal and administrative framework to better support the ongoing development and promotion of open source geospatial data and technologies."  This I think includes the legal framework to sign the License Mark Agreement with OGC when requesting OGC certification.

2) OSGeo, can be legally responsible, if the project accepts, for managing the compliance submission at OGC.

3) Any Open Source Geospatial project can "use" OSGeo as a legal entity to get OGC certified. Is up to OSGeo to decide if this applies to projects in incubation.

4) The certification logo will have the OSGeo name. Projects  that advertise their OGC compliance should use this logo. For example:

More line.

On Oct 16, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Luis,
The nature of Open Source licenses is that the code can be owned by multiple people. This is the case for many OSGeo projects. I'm pretty sure PostGIS falls under that category, and I note that Boundless have registered PostGIS as implementing OGC standards.

So by that precedence, OSGeo would be able to list any of the Open Source Geospatial projects associated with OSGeo as implementing OGC standards, be they incubated, in incubation, or even just self registering in OSGeo Labs.
Is that correct?

Yes.


Extending on that logic, I'd suggest that OSGeo should be able to pay to have an Open Source GIS project "certified OGC compliant", even though OSGeo doesn't own the code. For example, OSGeo could pay to have PostGIS certified, even though OSGeo doesn't legally own the code. (PostGIS is an OSGeo graduated project).
Is that correct?

Yes.

Now moving onto OSGeo projects. OSGeo projects are already encouraged to make use of OGC standards.
I'd suggest that our graduation process should encourage projects to run and pass CITE certification tests for relevant standards (update to graduation process required).
Part of project build and release processes should involve verifying CITE tests work. (Update to project processes required)
The passing of CITE certification should be advertised in OSGeo marketing, such as the OSGeo-Live documentation (update to OSGeo-Live documentation template required).
For OSGeo Graduated projects, I'd suggest that OSGeo should consider offering to pay for official CITE testing. (An incentive for projects to compete graduation). We would need to consider the business case behind this before proceeding.

Great Ideas !

- Luis

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Director Compliance Program
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
The OGC: Making Location Count

Skype: bermudez_luis
Twitter: @berdez
Tel: +1 301 760 7323
http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez



On 15/10/2014 1:14 pm, Luis Bermudez wrote:
Hi Cameron, et. al.


On Oct 14, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jeff, Jody,
I agree that there is value in OSGeo projects being listed in the OGC portal, and that we should work out what OGC and OSGeo consider as a requirement for listing a project.

Looking at: http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration
It seems that any application can be registered, free of charge?

Yes.

To get to the next level of "certified" or "reference implementation" might cost more.

There is no cost if you set up a server (endpoint) for others to exercise for free.

Luis, are you able to explain this further, or point at a URL which explains costs?

If you want to pay the fees
in the case of OSGeo it will be $80 per year per product per standard


I agree with Jeff that we at OSGeo should work out a process for registering compliant products with the OGC. I suggest that this should become part of the OSGeo Incubation process, which in turn should be referenced from the OSGeo-Live processes.

And you need to update the database, for example every time a new project implements a new standard.


Jeff,
I notice that MapCache (which I understand is associated with MapServer) has been registered separately with OGC, but MapCache is not referenced as one of our OSGeo projects at: http://osgeo.org . I suggest that we should do something about that.

We should be working out what criteria projects require before they can be listed under an OSGeo banner on OGC compliant products page. Only graduated projects? Graduated and Incubating projects? Any project listed on OSGeo-Live? Any project which has self registered to be part of OSGeo Labs? Any Open Source project with some geospatial functionality?

The issue is that we need an organization to be "legally" responsible for the project that is claiming compliance. This organization is the one that we will give the trademark license to use to OGC Certified logo. The question to ask is: Is OSGeo only legally responsible for graduated projects?

I'd like to hear OGC's thoughts on this. Does the OGC have any quality requirements for listing applications?

Anyone can list an application in the OGC implementation database. We clean it periodically, for example to spot  fake organizations or products. This rarely happens.

Please let me know how else can I help.

- Luis

---------------------------------------------------
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Director Compliance Program
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
The OGC: Making Location Count

Skype: bermudez_luis
Twitter: @berdez
Tel: +1 301 760 7323
http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez



On 15/10/2014 7:58 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
On 2014-10-14 4:48 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
Hi Jody,

Thanks for picking up the ball on this.  Actually I had added this topic
to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few weeks ago, but this new
Projects list is indeed the best place to discuss this.  Thanks.

At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues with the OGC's Luis
Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so hopefully we can all work
together to get things set up here now:

- a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation' organization/account was
created (visible at http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/)

- therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo' account with password.  The
contact name is listed as myself and the contact email is
info(at)osgeo.org.  My plan is/was to motion to the Board this Thursday
to pass the account details to the OSGeo Secretary, so he/she can help
manage/distribute these connection details to OSGeo Project officers
whenever necessary.  (we can login at
http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration)

- goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our projects) listed under the
one OSGeo organization.

- the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo officers (legal representatives
of the foundation, and therefore legal authority over the
'product'/project) can submit implementations etc.

- we therefore made a push with the OSGeo Secretary recently to make
sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate (i.e. who exactly is an
officer of OSGeo:
http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html)

- MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were transferred from Daniel
Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization account, with the help of
Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.

- to answer your questions, this is the process we must all figure out
what is best and makes the most sense, but personally I believe to get
other projects like GeoServer added to the list, the project's officer
should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@) initially, and then the
secretary will provide account access for submissions etc.

Of course I forgot to mention that in the case of GeoServer, the records are currently being maintained by Boundless, and a transfer of sorts would have to occur.

Anyway I'm interested to hear yours and all project officer's opinions.  I can then bring this to the OSGeo Board on Thursday.



Some unresolved issues:

- there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?

- how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation? (such as
Rasdaman)  Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact, considered
as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?

Thoughts?

Let's all work through this together :)

-jeff






On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see
http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).

Questions:
- Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
- Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations certified?

--
Jody Garnett


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Re: OGC products list

Bob Basques
All,

How would/should this situation work:
  • GeoMoose has it's own WMS/WFS client tool set for working with OGC services directly.  This is in a preconfigured (get[Map/Legend/Features], etc) mode only, no get getCapabilities, evaluation tools.
  • It's also built on top of OpenLayers, which does about the same thing.
  • It can be configured to use MapServer as a WMS client and Server.
So, GeoMOOSE is as OGC compliant as OpenLayers and MapServer or ??

I guess my question is do we as GeoMOOSE developers even worry about it at all, or just report on what I just typed here and let OSGeo take it from there?  We tend to just use the things that work, OGC standards have worked for a long time in GeoMOOSE, in the manner described, as I'm sure they have in other OSGeo projects.

bobb





On 10/24/14 10:31 AM, Luis Bermudez wrote:
Dear Cameron,

Sorry this took a little bit long to respond.

1) OSGeo claims that it "provides a legal and administrative framework to better support the ongoing development and promotion of open source geospatial data and technologies."  This I think includes the legal framework to sign the License Mark Agreement with OGC when requesting OGC certification.

2) OSGeo, can be legally responsible, if the project accepts, for managing the compliance submission at OGC.

3) Any Open Source Geospatial project can "use" OSGeo as a legal entity to get OGC certified. Is up to OSGeo to decide if this applies to projects in incubation.

4) The certification logo will have the OSGeo name. Projects  that advertise their OGC compliance should use this logo. For example:

More line.

On Oct 16, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Luis,
The nature of Open Source licenses is that the code can be owned by multiple people. This is the case for many OSGeo projects. I'm pretty sure PostGIS falls under that category, and I note that Boundless have registered PostGIS as implementing OGC standards.

So by that precedence, OSGeo would be able to list any of the Open Source Geospatial projects associated with OSGeo as implementing OGC standards, be they incubated, in incubation, or even just self registering in OSGeo Labs.
Is that correct?

Yes.


Extending on that logic, I'd suggest that OSGeo should be able to pay to have an Open Source GIS project "certified OGC compliant", even though OSGeo doesn't own the code. For example, OSGeo could pay to have PostGIS certified, even though OSGeo doesn't legally own the code. (PostGIS is an OSGeo graduated project).
Is that correct?

Yes.

Now moving onto OSGeo projects. OSGeo projects are already encouraged to make use of OGC standards.
I'd suggest that our graduation process should encourage projects to run and pass CITE certification tests for relevant standards (update to graduation process required).
Part of project build and release processes should involve verifying CITE tests work. (Update to project processes required)
The passing of CITE certification should be advertised in OSGeo marketing, such as the OSGeo-Live documentation (update to OSGeo-Live documentation template required).
For OSGeo Graduated projects, I'd suggest that OSGeo should consider offering to pay for official CITE testing. (An incentive for projects to compete graduation). We would need to consider the business case behind this before proceeding.

Great Ideas !

- Luis

---------------------------------------------------
Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.
Director Compliance Program
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
The OGC: Making Location Count

Skype: bermudez_luis
Twitter: @berdez
Tel: +1 301 760 7323
http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez



On 15/10/2014 1:14 pm, Luis Bermudez wrote:
Hi Cameron, et. al.


On Oct 14, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jeff, Jody,
I agree that there is value in OSGeo projects being listed in the OGC portal, and that we should work out what OGC and OSGeo consider as a requirement for listing a project.

Looking at: http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration
It seems that any application can be registered, free of charge?

Yes.

To get to the next level of "certified" or "reference implementation" might cost more.

There is no cost if you set up a server (endpoint) for others to exercise for free.

Luis, are you able to explain this further, or point at a URL which explains costs?

If you want to pay the fees
in the case of OSGeo it will be $80 per year per product per standard


I agree with Jeff that we at OSGeo should work out a process for registering compliant products with the OGC. I suggest that this should become part of the OSGeo Incubation process, which in turn should be referenced from the OSGeo-Live processes.

And you need to update the database, for example every time a new project implements a new standard.


Jeff,
I notice that MapCache (which I understand is associated with MapServer) has been registered separately with OGC, but MapCache is not referenced as one of our OSGeo projects at: http://osgeo.org . I suggest that we should do something about that.

We should be working out what criteria projects require before they can be listed under an OSGeo banner on OGC compliant products page. Only graduated projects? Graduated and Incubating projects? Any project listed on OSGeo-Live? Any project which has self registered to be part of OSGeo Labs? Any Open Source project with some geospatial functionality?

The issue is that we need an organization to be "legally" responsible for the project that is claiming compliance. This organization is the one that we will give the trademark license to use to OGC Certified logo. The question to ask is: Is OSGeo only legally responsible for graduated projects?

I'd like to hear OGC's thoughts on this. Does the OGC have any quality requirements for listing applications?

Anyone can list an application in the OGC implementation database. We clean it periodically, for example to spot  fake organizations or products. This rarely happens.

Please let me know how else can I help.

- Luis

---------------------------------------------------
Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.
Director Compliance Program
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
The OGC: Making Location Count

Skype: bermudez_luis
Twitter: @berdez
Tel: +1 301 760 7323
http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez



On 15/10/2014 7:58 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
On 2014-10-14 4:48 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
Hi Jody,

Thanks for picking up the ball on this.  Actually I had added this topic
to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few weeks ago, but this new
Projects list is indeed the best place to discuss this.  Thanks.

At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues with the OGC's Luis
Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so hopefully we can all work
together to get things set up here now:

- a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation' organization/account was
created (visible at http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/)

- therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo' account with password.  The
contact name is listed as myself and the contact email is
info(at)osgeo.org.  My plan is/was to motion to the Board this Thursday
to pass the account details to the OSGeo Secretary, so he/she can help
manage/distribute these connection details to OSGeo Project officers
whenever necessary.  (we can login at
http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration)

- goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our projects) listed under the
one OSGeo organization.

- the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo officers (legal representatives
of the foundation, and therefore legal authority over the
'product'/project) can submit implementations etc.

- we therefore made a push with the OSGeo Secretary recently to make
sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate (i.e. who exactly is an
officer of OSGeo:
http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html)

- MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were transferred from Daniel
Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization account, with the help of
Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.

- to answer your questions, this is the process we must all figure out
what is best and makes the most sense, but personally I believe to get
other projects like GeoServer added to the list, the project's officer
should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@) initially, and then the
secretary will provide account access for submissions etc.

Of course I forgot to mention that in the case of GeoServer, the records are currently being maintained by Boundless, and a transfer of sorts would have to occur.

Anyway I'm interested to hear yours and all project officer's opinions.  I can then bring this to the OSGeo Board on Thursday.



Some unresolved issues:

- there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?

- how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation? (such as
Rasdaman)  Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact, considered
as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?

Thoughts?

Let's all work through this together :)

-jeff






On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see
http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).

Questions:
- Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
- Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations certified?

--
Jody Garnett


_______________________________________________
Projects mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/projects

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Software and Data Solutions Manager
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Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com,  F +61 2 9009 5099



-- 
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Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
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P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com,  F +61 2 9009 5099



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