Mac OS X, Sextante and other plugins or the forgotten users..

[gene]

Hello,
I am a user of QGIS (and GRASS GIS and gvSIG, and...) on Mac OS X and not a C, C + + or Java developer : I use Python in all developments and I'm happy because I can do anything in the Python consoles of the softwares. I am also a member of OSGeo-Fr.

I simply note that there are more and more people using these software on Mac OS X but everything is done for Linux and Windows, without even mention Mac OS X as if it did not exist for the developers.

Only one person, William Kyngesburye (thank to him who saves us) provides all these softwares for the Mac Users (and also C. Barton for GRASS GIS) and the port of GvSIG is still "experimental"...
SEXTANTE plugin for QGIS is not made for Mac, only for Windows and Linux. There is no SAGA for Mac, for example, and I can install SEXTANTE but the SAGA algorithms does not work (even the R algorithms does not work while I can use R in GRASS GIS or QGIS without problems).
Yet the new gvSIG Community Edition has an extension SEXTANTE with SAGA modules that work on Mac.

So what is the role of Mac OS X users (not developers) if developers use Linux and the majority of users are using Windows or Linux ?  Tell the students or beginners , change of OS ?

I do not want to offend anyone but most users are not developers and the only thing they want is to use the program. In the case of QGIS for Mac, all works well (thanks William) but there are problems with some plugins I always try to transmit the bugs encountered to William Kyngesburye but I understand  he can not solve everything alone, especially if it's problems with plugins. As I know Python, I can solve some but not all.
I also understand that most developers are on Linux but Mac OS X is also a Unix (FreeBSD based), unlike Windows.

So, what can we do to help if we are not programmers ?

[Giovanni Manghi]

> So, what can we do to help if we are not programmers ?

you may want to consider start supporting the project/core
devedlopers/plugins developers asking to fix what bugs you more under
OsX.

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> So, what can we do to help if we are not programmers ?

you may want to consider start supporting the project/core
devedlopers/plugins developers asking to fix what bugs you more under
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[Noli Sicad]

I should suppose to work with Mac OS X as well.

Where did you get this statement?

 - *SEXTANTE plugin for QGIS is not made for Mac, only for Windows and Linux*.

You should add SEXTANTE repository for the plugin.

Visit http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/sextante/ for details.

Add it and click experimental.

Noli

On 4/1/12, gene <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
> I am a user of QGIS (and GRASS GIS and gvSIG, and...) on Mac OS X and not a
> C, C + + or Java developer : I use Python in all developments and I'm happy
> because I can do anything in the Python consoles of the softwares. I am also
> a member of OSGeo-Fr.
>
> I simply note that there are more and more people using these software on
> Mac OS X but everything is done for Linux and Windows, without even mention
> Mac OS X as if it did not exist for the developers.
>
> Only one person, William Kyngesburye (thank to him who saves us) provides
> all these softwares for the Mac Users (and also C. Barton for GRASS GIS) and
> the port of GvSIG is still "experimental"...
> *SEXTANTE plugin for QGIS is not made for Mac, only for Windows and Linux*.
> There is no SAGA for Mac, for example, and I can install SEXTANTE but the
> SAGA algorithms does not work (even the R algorithms does not work while I
> can use R in GRASS GIS or QGIS without problems).
> Yet the new *gvSIG Community Edition* has an extension SEXTANTE with SAGA
> modules that work on Mac.
>
> So what is the role of Mac OS X users (not developers) if developers use
> Linux and the majority of users are using Windows or Linux ?  Tell the
> students or beginners , change of OS ?
>
> I do not want to offend anyone but most users are not developers and the
> only thing they want is to use the program. *In the case of QGIS for Mac,
> all works well (thanks William) but there are problems with some plugins* I
> always try to transmit the bugs encountered to William Kyngesburye but I
> understand  he can not solve everything alone, especially if it's problems
> with plugins. As I know Python, I can solve some but not all.
> I also understand that most developers are on Linux but Mac OS X is also a
> Unix (FreeBSD based), unlike Windows.
>
> So, what can we do to help if we are not programmers ?
>
>
>
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[gene]

I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.

[jbogdani]

Hello,

I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I was able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2, but SAGA does not work.

Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:

ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)

INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines "Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp -ORDER "cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp

INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd: command not found

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On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:

I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from
http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.




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[Noli Sicad]

What is the QGIS Official Repository 2, could give details on this.

It seems that I am not getting SEXTANTE as well in my Mac OS X QGiS.

Thanks.

Noli



On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
> I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I was
> able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2, but
> SAGA does not work.
> Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:
>
> ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012
> 12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)
> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines
> "Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp -ORDER
> "cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES
> /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp
> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console
> output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd: command
> not found
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:
>
>> I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from
>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>> ) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[jbogdani]

In QGIS:

Plugins > Fetch Python Plugins

Repositories: "Add third party repositories"

Options: select "Show all, even those marked as experimental"

Plugins: filter type sextante

You'll see it in the list (under repository you'll find QGIS Official Repository 2), go ahead and install.

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On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:34 , Noli Sicad wrote:

What is the QGIS Official Repository 2, could give details on this.

It seems that I am not getting SEXTANTE as well in my Mac OS X QGiS.

Thanks.

Noli



On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello,

I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I was

able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2, but

SAGA does not work.

Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:

ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012

12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)

INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines

"Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp -ORDER

"cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES

/Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp

INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console

output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd: command

not found

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On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:

I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from

http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin

http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin

) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.

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[gene]

The main problem is (from manual.pdf)
"SAGA algorithms can be run from SEXTANTE if you have SAGA installed in your system and you configure SEXTANTE properly so it can find SAGA executables. In particular, the SAGA command–line executable is needed to run SAGA algorithms. SAGA binaries are not included with SEXTANTE, so you have to download and install the software yourself. Please check the SAGA website at for more information."

and no SAGA for Mac OS X (I tried to compile it but without success)

"The first thing you have to do, as we saw in the case of SAGA, is to tell SEXTANTE where you R binaries are located. You can do so using the R folder entry in the SEXTANTE configuration dialog. Once you have set that parameter, you can start creating your own R scripts and executing them"
no  R folder entry

and in all the Python scripts
 if .....isWindows():
and if not -> Linux

[Noli Sicad]

I did what you outlined, SEXTANTE is not showing.

Could you just tell me what is the URL of the QGIS Official Repository 2?

Just click Edit and you will see the URL, the second line.

Thanks.

Noli

On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani <[hidden email]> wrote:

> In QGIS:
> Plugins > Fetch Python Plugins
>
> Repositories: "Add third party repositories"
>
> Options: select "Show all, even those marked as experimental"
>
> Plugins: filter type sextante
>
> You'll see it in the list (under repository you'll find QGIS Official
> Repository 2), go ahead and install.
>
>
> -----
> Julian Bogdani
> [hidden email]
> http://bradypus.net
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:34 , Noli Sicad wrote:
>
>> What is the QGIS Official Repository 2, could give details on this.
>>
>> It seems that I am not getting SEXTANTE as well in my Mac OS X QGiS.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Noli
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I was
>>> able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2, but
>>> SAGA does not work.
>>> Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:
>>>
>>> ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012
>>> 12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)
>>> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines
>>> "Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp
>>> -ORDER
>>> "cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES
>>> /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp
>>> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console
>>> output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd:
>>> command
>>> not found
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
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>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://bradypus.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:
>>>
>>>> I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from
>>>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>>>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>>>> ) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/plugins.xml


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On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:57 , Noli Sicad wrote:

> I did what you outlined, SEXTANTE is not showing.
>
> Could you just tell me what is the URL of the QGIS Official Repository 2?
>
> Just click Edit and you will see the URL, the second line.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Noli
>
> On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> In QGIS:
>> Plugins > Fetch Python Plugins
>>
>> Repositories: "Add third party repositories"
>>
>> Options: select "Show all, even those marked as experimental"
>>
>> Plugins: filter type sextante
>>
>> You'll see it in the list (under repository you'll find QGIS Official
>> Repository 2), go ahead and install.
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Julian Bogdani
>> [hidden email]
>> http://bradypus.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:34 , Noli Sicad wrote:
>>
>>> What is the QGIS Official Repository 2, could give details on this.
>>>
>>> It seems that I am not getting SEXTANTE as well in my Mac OS X QGiS.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Noli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I was
>>>> able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2, but
>>>> SAGA does not work.
>>>> Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:
>>>>
>>>> ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012
>>>> 12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)
>>>> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines
>>>> "Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp
>>>> -ORDER
>>>> "cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES
>>>> /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp
>>>> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console
>>>> output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd:
>>>> command
>>>> not found
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> Julian Bogdani
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://bradypus.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from
>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>>>>> ) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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[Noli Sicad]

Thank you!

I am not getting that URL.

Now, I am getting SEXANTE using the URL that you supplied.

Thanks.

Noli



On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani <[hidden email]> wrote:

> http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/plugins.xml
>
>
> -----
> Julian Bogdani
> [hidden email]
> http://bradypus.net
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:57 , Noli Sicad wrote:
>
>> I did what you outlined, SEXTANTE is not showing.
>>
>> Could you just tell me what is the URL of the QGIS Official Repository 2?
>>
>> Just click Edit and you will see the URL, the second line.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Noli
>>
>> On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> In QGIS:
>>> Plugins > Fetch Python Plugins
>>>
>>> Repositories: "Add third party repositories"
>>>
>>> Options: select "Show all, even those marked as experimental"
>>>
>>> Plugins: filter type sextante
>>>
>>> You'll see it in the list (under repository you'll find QGIS Official
>>> Repository 2), go ahead and install.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Julian Bogdani
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://bradypus.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:34 , Noli Sicad wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is the QGIS Official Repository 2, could give details on this.
>>>>
>>>> It seems that I am not getting SEXTANTE as well in my Mac OS X QGiS.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Noli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/12, Julian Bogdani <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I'm running QGIS on MacOS also, and having problems with SEXTANTE. I
>>>>> was
>>>>> able to successfully install it from the QGIS Official Repository 2,
>>>>> but
>>>>> SAGA does not work.
>>>>> Here is the log for a simple points to lines analysis:
>>>>>
>>>>> ALGORITHM|Sun Apr 01 2012
>>>>> 12:16:46|Sextante.runalg("saga:convertpointstoline(s)","/Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp","cat1","cat2",None)
>>>>> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution commands|libshapes_lines
>>>>> "Convert Points to Line(s)" -POINTS /Users/jbogdani/qgis/points.shp
>>>>> -ORDER
>>>>> "cat1" -SEPARATE "cat2" -LINES
>>>>> /Users/jbogdani/sextante/tempdata/1333275406.0329.shp
>>>>> INFO|Sun Apr 01 2012 12:16:46|SAGA execution console
>>>>> output|/Users/jbogdani/sextante/saga_batch_job.sh: line 1: saga_cmd:
>>>>> command
>>>>> not found
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Julian Bogdani
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> http://bradypus.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Apr 2012, at 12:09 , gene wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I installed this plugin (and before the experimental 0.1 from
>>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/sextante/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsoft%2Fbindings%2Fqgis-plugin
>>>>>> ) otherwise I could not say that it not works with SAGA or R.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> http://osgeo-org.1560.n6.nabble.com/Mac-OS-X-Sextante-and-other-plugins-or-the-forgotten-users-tp4676106p4676150.html
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[gene]

only ftools and mmqgis works, with problems, but they are already present in QGIS plugins

For example, the help calls :
    subprocess.call(('xdg-open', filename))

but no xdg-open in standard Mac OS X:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/264395/linux-equivalent-of-the-mac-os-x-open-command