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Github sponsorship

Saber Razmjooei
Dear PSC,

Github announced the sponsorship initiative:


They have some interesting options for the first year:
- Github matching fund (up to 5000 dollars)
- no fees

Would be good to know the PSC's opinion on that.

Regards
Saber


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Re: Github sponsorship

pcav
Hi Saber,
I have read it, and I don't see any downside. If nobody else spots one,
I'd be in favour of doing it now (probably the first to come will tap
fresh resources).
Thanks Saber!

On 23/05/19 22:13, Saber Razmjooei wrote:

> Dear PSC,
>
> Github announced the sponsorship initiative:
>
> https://github.blog/2019-05-23-announcing-github-sponsors-a-new-way-to-contribute-to-open-source/
>
> They have some interesting options for the first year:
> - Github matching fund (up to 5000 dollars)
> - no fees
>
> Would be good to know the PSC's opinion on that.
>
> Regards
> Saber
>
>
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Re: Github sponsorship

Richard Duivenvoorde
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On 23/05/2019 22.13, Saber Razmjooei wrote:

> Dear PSC,
>
> Github announced the sponsorship initiative:
>
> https://github.blog/2019-05-23-announcing-github-sponsors-a-new-way-to-contribute-to-open-source/
>
> They have some interesting options for the first year:
> - Github matching fund (up to 5000 dollars)
> - no fees
>
> Would be good to know the PSC's opinion on that.

Mmm, why PSC only? I think 'we' are more diverse, could be discussed
here first?

I had a look, and it looks like it is being set up for individuals, so
to sponsor (up to 4) individual github users?

Does feel strange though, to put 4 'chosen ones' in this program?
Off course we have a lot of repo's so :-)

But maybe I miss the point.

I just joined the waitlist, just to see what they ask for...

Another thing which struck me as odd is that you get paid on your
github-account (and payment methods). So you have to setup billing stuff
at github (credit card or Paypal)? https://github.com/settings/billing
(when logged in)..

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde


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Re: Github sponsorship

Richard Duivenvoorde
On 24/05/2019 09.12, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> I had a look, and it looks like it is being set up for individuals, so
> to sponsor (up to 4) individual github users?

Ah: https://help.github.com/en/articles/about-github-sponsors

Currently, only individual users can sponsor developers. If your
organization is interested in sponsoring developers, please let us know
by emailing [hidden email].

GitHub is exploring ways to introduce sponsorships for teams of people
that work on a single project. If you'd like to join our sponsored teams
advisory panel, email [hidden email] with the subject line
[GitHub Sponsors] Interested in the Sponsored Teams Advisory Panel.
Please include:

    The name of your project
    Information about your team
    Why you are interested in joining the advisory panel

You can also recommend developers to participate in the limited beta.
Send an email to [hidden email] with a link to the developer's
GitHub profile and optionally their contact information.

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pcav
Thanks Richard for the analysis. I think it is worth exploring ways to
do it properly. I agree that sponsoring individual developers is not the
best way for us, but it could be useful nevertheless, taking the fist 4
committers.
In general, I believe being in the front line on this will be
interesting, potentially rewarding.
Cheers.

On 24/05/19 09:15, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:

> On 24/05/2019 09.12, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>> I had a look, and it looks like it is being set up for individuals, so
>> to sponsor (up to 4) individual github users?
>
> Ah: https://help.github.com/en/articles/about-github-sponsors
>
> Currently, only individual users can sponsor developers. If your
> organization is interested in sponsoring developers, please let us know
> by emailing [hidden email].
>
> GitHub is exploring ways to introduce sponsorships for teams of people
> that work on a single project. If you'd like to join our sponsored teams
> advisory panel, email [hidden email] with the subject line
> [GitHub Sponsors] Interested in the Sponsored Teams Advisory Panel.
> Please include:
>
>     The name of your project
>     Information about your team
>     Why you are interested in joining the advisory panel
>
> You can also recommend developers to participate in the limited beta.
> Send an email to [hidden email] with a link to the developer's
> GitHub profile and optionally their contact information.
>
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Re: Github sponsorship

Vincent Picavet (ml)
Hello,

This initiative sounds interesting, and thanks Richard for the details.

On 24/05/2019 09:25, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> Thanks Richard for the analysis. I think it is worth exploring ways to
> do it properly. I agree that sponsoring individual developers is not the
> best way for us, but it could be useful nevertheless, taking the fist 4
> committers.

I tend to disagree here. 4 developers to be paid on behalf of the rest
of the community really seems unfair. QGIS.org choosing these developers
put the association in a risky situation.
Basing this on the amount of commit also is a mistake according to me.
It is definitely not a good indicator of value, neither amount of work.
And how do you count ? Which repositories ? How do you include
documentation, infrastructure, testing, bug triaging ?
Using the amount of commits as our principal measurement of contribution
is wrong on many level, as it conveys the message "developers are the
most valuable persons on a project", which is against our search for
diversity and the importance of other kind of contributions.

Getting involved with GitHub to allow organizations to participate in
this sponsorship program would be interesting.

Best regards,
Vincent

> In general, I believe being in the front line on this will be
> interesting, potentially rewarding.
> Cheers.
>
> On 24/05/19 09:15, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>> On 24/05/2019 09.12, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>>> I had a look, and it looks like it is being set up for individuals, so
>>> to sponsor (up to 4) individual github users?
>>
>> Ah: https://help.github.com/en/articles/about-github-sponsors
>>
>> Currently, only individual users can sponsor developers. If your
>> organization is interested in sponsoring developers, please let us know
>> by emailing [hidden email].
>>
>> GitHub is exploring ways to introduce sponsorships for teams of people
>> that work on a single project. If you'd like to join our sponsored teams
>> advisory panel, email [hidden email] with the subject line
>> [GitHub Sponsors] Interested in the Sponsored Teams Advisory Panel.
>> Please include:
>>
>>     The name of your project
>>     Information about your team
>>     Why you are interested in joining the advisory panel
>>
>> You can also recommend developers to participate in the limited beta.
>> Send an email to [hidden email] with a link to the developer's
>> GitHub profile and optionally their contact information.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Qgis-psc mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc
>>
>

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pcav
Hi Vincent,

On 24/05/19 09:43, Vincent Picavet (ml) wrote:

> On 24/05/2019 09:25, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
>> Thanks Richard for the analysis. I think it is worth exploring ways to
>> do it properly. I agree that sponsoring individual developers is not the
>> best way for us, but it could be useful nevertheless, taking the fist 4
>> committers.
>
> I tend to disagree here. 4 developers to be paid on behalf of the rest
> of the community really seems unfair. QGIS.org choosing these developers
> put the association in a risky situation.
> Basing this on the amount of commit also is a mistake according to me.
> It is definitely not a good indicator of value, neither amount of work.
> And how do you count ? Which repositories ? How do you include
> documentation, infrastructure, testing, bug triaging ?
> Using the amount of commits as our principal measurement of contribution
> is wrong on many level, as it conveys the message "developers are the
> most valuable persons on a project", which is against our search for
> diversity and the importance of other kind of contributions.

I do not see a big problem here: these are additional resources, we have
funds to equalize them, compensating other devs fairly with our own
funds matching the ones from GH.

> Getting involved with GitHub to allow organizations to participate in
> this sponsorship program would be interesting.

sure, this is the best route. I'm just suggesting to take this
opportunity, and push to go towards organization funding.
Cheers.

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Re: Github sponsorship

Saber Razmjooei
Hi All,

The way I envisage this can help QGIS project:
1. To run QGIS Grant through Github Sponsor. Applicants will publish their prototype/proposal as a GH repository. QGIS will sponsor the individual to carry out the work (which can be a feature, documentation, infrastructure, etc):
1.1. For the first year, if I read that correctly, GH will match the contribution of under 5k dollar. So, it will be additional cash for the applicants.
1.2 Users can also sponsor the applicants directly.
2. Crowd funding campaigns: QGIS developers run their campaigns through the sponsorship program (not much to do with QGIS org)
3. QGIS as an organisation joins the sponsorship program. There will be opportunity to run campaigns (similar to Wikimedia) to raise fund for a specific work (e.g. infrastructure, documentation, bug fixing).

The first year, there is no charges, so maybe there is an opportunity to explore on of the options.

Regards
Saber


On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 08:52, Paolo Cavallini <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Vincent,

On 24/05/19 09:43, Vincent Picavet (ml) wrote:

> On 24/05/2019 09:25, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
>> Thanks Richard for the analysis. I think it is worth exploring ways to
>> do it properly. I agree that sponsoring individual developers is not the
>> best way for us, but it could be useful nevertheless, taking the fist 4
>> committers.
>
> I tend to disagree here. 4 developers to be paid on behalf of the rest
> of the community really seems unfair. QGIS.org choosing these developers
> put the association in a risky situation.
> Basing this on the amount of commit also is a mistake according to me.
> It is definitely not a good indicator of value, neither amount of work.
> And how do you count ? Which repositories ? How do you include
> documentation, infrastructure, testing, bug triaging ?
> Using the amount of commits as our principal measurement of contribution
> is wrong on many level, as it conveys the message "developers are the
> most valuable persons on a project", which is against our search for
> diversity and the importance of other kind of contributions.

I do not see a big problem here: these are additional resources, we have
funds to equalize them, compensating other devs fairly with our own
funds matching the ones from GH.

> Getting involved with GitHub to allow organizations to participate in
> this sponsorship program would be interesting.

sure, this is the best route. I'm just suggesting to take this
opportunity, and push to go towards organization funding.
Cheers.

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Re: Github sponsorship

Jürgen E. Fischer
Hi,

On Fri, 24. May 2019 at 10:13:03 +0100, Saber Razmjooei wrote:
> The first year, there is no charges, so maybe there is an opportunity to
> explore on of the options.

Is there any info on which charges follow the next years?


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Saber Razmjooei
Hi Jurgen,

They will have some fees for handling transactions and will not match below 5k dollar donations. See the link in my first email for information.

Kind regards
Saber


On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 11:06, Jürgen E. Fischer <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

On Fri, 24. May 2019 at 10:13:03 +0100, Saber Razmjooei wrote:
> The first year, there is no charges, so maybe there is an opportunity to
> explore on of the options.

Is there any info on which charges follow the next years?


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Re: Github sponsorship

Marco Bernasocchi-2
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Hi all

On 24.05.19 10:14, [hidden email] wrote:
>> Does feel strange though, to put 4 'chosen ones' in this program?
>> Off course we have a lot of repo's so
>>
>> But maybe I miss the point.

I think you do :)

we don't have to put the 4 links, we could but we don't have to.

how I see it is that every github user can receive sponsorship for

himself totally independent of QGIS.org.

>> GitHub is exploring ways to introduce sponsorships for teams of people
>> that work on a single project. If you'd like to join our sponsored teams
>> advisory panel, email [hidden email] with the subject line
>> [GitHub Sponsors] Interested in the Sponsored Teams Advisory Panel.
>> Please include:
>>
>>     The name of your project
>>     Information about your team
>>     Why you are interested in joining the advisory panel

I think this is the way we as qgis should pursue. any of our
committers/docwriters/... can join the program by them selves and maybe
convince somebody to sponsor them for work on QGIS. I think it is a
great idea.

Cheers

Marco

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