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[Geomoose-users] Copyright Infringement Issue

boesiii

Hello All,

 

I have been trying to convince the Board of Directors of the company I work for to let me engage current customers and possibly new customers to setup GeoMoose type web applications and other similar type web applications based on OpenLayers.  The Board is reluctant because of copyright infringement.  Their argument is how can I prove that GeoMoose and OpenLayers is not infringing upon other copyrighted material.  They considered getting a patent attorney to review my code\GeoMoose code but they aren't able to justify the cost.

 

How can I prove my argument that GeoMoose and similar open source code is not copyright material?

 

Thanks,

 

E


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First, I cannot give legal advice, so you are on your own there.  Second, I object to your email subject as being FUD. 

GeoMoose IS copyrighted material.  The license that GeoMoose is distributed under is available in the LICENSE file in every download, near the top of the source files, and on the GeoMoose website [1].   GeoMoose and OpenLayers are both OSGeo Projects, so another place to look is at the requirements for a project to pass OSGeo Incubation [2].

Most other open source projects are similar.

[1] http://www.geomoose.org/info/license.html
[2] http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html

Jim Klassen

On 2014/1/29 12:49 PM, Ed Boesenberg wrote:

Hello All,

 

I have been trying to convince the Board of Directors of the company I work for to let me engage current customers and possibly new customers to setup GeoMoose type web applications and other similar type web applications based on OpenLayers.  The Board is reluctant because of copyright infringement.  Their argument is how can I prove that GeoMoose and OpenLayers is not infringing upon other copyrighted material.  They considered getting a patent attorney to review my code\GeoMoose code but they aren't able to justify the cost.

 

How can I prove my argument that GeoMoose and similar open source code is not copyright material?

 

Thanks,

 

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E,

 

Adding to what Jim said, yes it IS copyrighted (which is a good thing), but the License explicitly gives you permission to use as long as you follow the licensing rules which are for the most part straight forward to follow.

 

 

Bobb

 

 

 

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First, I cannot give legal advice, so you are on your own there.  Second, I object to your email subject as being FUD. 

GeoMoose IS copyrighted material.  The license that GeoMoose is distributed under is available in the LICENSE file in every download, near the top of the source files, and on the GeoMoose website [1].   GeoMoose and OpenLayers are both OSGeo Projects, so another place to look is at the requirements for a project to pass OSGeo Incubation [2].

Most other open source projects are similar.

[1] http://www.geomoose.org/info/license.html
[2] http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html

Jim Klassen

On 2014/1/29 12:49 PM, Ed Boesenberg wrote:

Hello All,

 

I have been trying to convince the Board of Directors of the company I work for to let me engage current customers and possibly new customers to setup GeoMoose type web applications and other similar type web applications based on OpenLayers.  The Board is reluctant because of copyright infringement.  Their argument is how can I prove that GeoMoose and OpenLayers is not infringing upon other copyrighted material.  They considered getting a patent attorney to review my code\GeoMoose code but they aren't able to justify the cost.

 

How can I prove my argument that GeoMoose and similar open source code is not copyright material?

 

Thanks,

 

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What do you mean by FUD?  I am trying to explain to non-technical bean counters why my company CAN use GeoMoose and other similar code projects in a for profit manor and they came back to me with the question, "How can I prove that GeoMoose is not infringing on other copyrighted material?". 

 

I know the license grants me permission but the people I am explaining to concerns are about the "contributors".  How do I prove what they are contributing in not infringing?

 

I am a big advocate of open source software but I am trying to explain it to others and I having difficulties.  I don't mean to offend anyone. 

 

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E,

 

Adding to what Jim said, yes it IS copyrighted (which is a good thing), but the License explicitly gives you permission to use as long as you follow the licensing rules which are for the most part straight forward to follow.

 

 

Bobb

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of James Klassen
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [Geomoose-users] Copyright Infringement Issue

 

First, I cannot give legal advice, so you are on your own there.  Second, I object to your email subject as being FUD. 

GeoMoose IS copyrighted material.  The license that GeoMoose is distributed under is available in the LICENSE file in every download, near the top of the source files, and on the GeoMoose website [1].   GeoMoose and OpenLayers are both OSGeo Projects, so another place to look is at the requirements for a project to pass OSGeo Incubation [2].

Most other open source projects are similar.

[1] http://www.geomoose.org/info/license.html
[2] http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html

Jim Klassen

On 2014/1/29 12:49 PM, Ed Boesenberg wrote:

Hello All,

 

I have been trying to convince the Board of Directors of the company I work for to let me engage current customers and possibly new customers to setup GeoMoose type web applications and other similar type web applications based on OpenLayers.  The Board is reluctant because of copyright infringement.  Their argument is how can I prove that GeoMoose and OpenLayers is not infringing upon other copyrighted material.  They considered getting a patent attorney to review my code\GeoMoose code but they aren't able to justify the cost.

 

How can I prove my argument that GeoMoose and similar open source code is not copyright material?

 

Thanks,

 

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Jim Klassen-3
On 2014/1/29 4:02 PM, Ed Boesenberg wrote:

What do you mean by FUD?  I am trying to explain to non-technical bean counters why my company CAN use GeoMoose and other similar code projects in a for profit manor and they came back to me with the question, "How can I prove that GeoMoose is not infringing on other copyrighted material?". 


Sorry, I was short on time and should have been more clear.  My complaint is the subject line of the email makes it look like you are asserting there is copyright infringement going on in GeoMoose rather than asking a question regarding general use of free and open source software.  It primarily bothers me because sometimes people take snippets like the subject, ignore the body of the email and then try to use it against you later.  Think of how it would look as a news headline.  I am ok with the broader question asked.

 

I know the license grants me permission but the people I am explaining to concerns are about the "contributors".  How do I prove what they are contributing in not infringing?

Which contributors are they concerned about?

The GeoMoose project is careful about accepting code and we have rules in place about the licensing/copyright of contributed code.  This was strengthened as part of the OSGeo incubation process that I linked to.  Contributions have to meet the requirement of RFC-4 [1] and the contributor guidelines [2] to be accepted by the project.

In terms of using GeoMoose for profit, the MIT style license of the project allows that.  As a project, we would appreciate it if you were to contribute to the project fixes/enhancements of code/documentation/etc that you might make, but it is not required to contribute back everything or anything.

 

I am a big advocate of open source software but I am trying to explain it to others and I having difficulties.  I don't mean to offend anyone. 


[1] http://www.geomoose.org/rfc/rfc-4.htm
[2] http://docs.geomoose.org/2.6/developer/contribute.html

 

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:13 PM
To: James Klassen; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Geomoose-users] Copyright Infringement Issue

 

E,

 

Adding to what Jim said, yes it IS copyrighted (which is a good thing), but the License explicitly gives you permission to use as long as you follow the licensing rules which are for the most part straight forward to follow.

 

 

Bobb

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of James Klassen
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:40 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Geomoose-users] Copyright Infringement Issue

 

First, I cannot give legal advice, so you are on your own there.  Second, I object to your email subject as being FUD. 

GeoMoose IS copyrighted material.  The license that GeoMoose is distributed under is available in the LICENSE file in every download, near the top of the source files, and on the GeoMoose website [1].   GeoMoose and OpenLayers are both OSGeo Projects, so another place to look is at the requirements for a project to pass OSGeo Incubation [2].

Most other open source projects are similar.

[1] http://www.geomoose.org/info/license.html
[2] http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html

Jim Klassen

On 2014/1/29 12:49 PM, Ed Boesenberg wrote:

Hello All,

 

I have been trying to convince the Board of Directors of the company I work for to let me engage current customers and possibly new customers to setup GeoMoose type web applications and other similar type web applications based on OpenLayers.  The Board is reluctant because of copyright infringement.  Their argument is how can I prove that GeoMoose and OpenLayers is not infringing upon other copyrighted material.  They considered getting a patent attorney to review my code\GeoMoose code but they aren't able to justify the cost.

 

How can I prove my argument that GeoMoose and similar open source code is not copyright material?

 

Thanks,

 

E



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Jim, you are right. I wish I could hit the internet undo button.

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Jim Klassen-3

Thanks.

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Jim, you are right. I wish I could hit the internet undo button.

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Ed,

Regarding GeoMOOSE, we can probably ring up nearly every contributor and have them say, "Yep, I wrote that, and made it open source."

Regarding OpenLayers and Dojo, they all have similar license. 

Frankly, you're not fighting a battle of proof from the sounds of it. Someone doesn't want you to use GeoMoose and they're putting up walls.  Frankly, the patent entanglement with ESRI software is more egregious because you can't actually SEE the code their using.

On Jan 29, 2014 5:54 PM, "ed boesenberg" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jim, you are right. I wish I could hit the internet undo button.

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