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adam steer-2
Hi folks

Following from an earlier discussion [1] on osgeo-oceania about offsetting emissions which are incurred by getting to FOSS4G SotM Oceania, there’s been a long chat in the Maptime Australia slack channel about creating a low-carbon conference.

This has also been raised as an issue for the global FOSS4G [2].

The upshot of the conversation is that we’re looking at ways to mitigate our impact on the planet using something other than throwing money at offsetters [3].

With that in mind, I’ve sent enquiries to Bush Heritage Australia [4] and the NZ Native Forest Regeneration Trust [5] about donating an amount to work toward landscape-scale forest and biodiversity restoration - since buying acres of maybe-never-planted monoculture is really not a solution (see [3]).

The idea is that the conference uses some of its budget (amount TBA) to ‘offset’ the event. Since the event is in NZ, the main carbon source is air travel - so I’ll do some modelling work to estimate travel GHG emissions, based initially on 2018 attendees and refining as we go.

If you have any useful tools to hand for that task to hand, I’d appreciate hearing about them (or better! collaboration!). John Bryant already suggested this one: https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/CarbonOffset/Pages/default.aspx

If you know any other ‘boots on ground’ organisations we should consider, also please let us know.

Regards

Adam



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Alex Leith
Hey Adam

I think this is a really good initiative, and I support it in principle.

I think we could do the research and preparations ahead of the event, and perhaps it becomes part of the plan to push a portion of the surplus into offsetting (part of) the event. I don’t think we should commit to it unless we meet a certain surplus, as we are a new org and need to ensure we’re sustainable (financially!) first.

Cheers,

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 7:13 pm, adam steer <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi folks

Following from an earlier discussion [1] on osgeo-oceania about offsetting emissions which are incurred by getting to FOSS4G SotM Oceania, there’s been a long chat in the Maptime Australia slack channel about creating a low-carbon conference.

This has also been raised as an issue for the global FOSS4G [2].

The upshot of the conversation is that we’re looking at ways to mitigate our impact on the planet using something other than throwing money at offsetters [3].

With that in mind, I’ve sent enquiries to Bush Heritage Australia [4] and the NZ Native Forest Regeneration Trust [5] about donating an amount to work toward landscape-scale forest and biodiversity restoration - since buying acres of maybe-never-planted monoculture is really not a solution (see [3]).

The idea is that the conference uses some of its budget (amount TBA) to ‘offset’ the event. Since the event is in NZ, the main carbon source is air travel - so I’ll do some modelling work to estimate travel GHG emissions, based initially on 2018 attendees and refining as we go.

If you have any useful tools to hand for that task to hand, I’d appreciate hearing about them (or better! collaboration!). John Bryant already suggested this one: https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/CarbonOffset/Pages/default.aspx

If you know any other ‘boots on ground’ organisations we should consider, also please let us know.

Regards

Adam



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adam steer-2
Alex, 

Thanks for your in principle support - we’ll get all the numbers lined up and as per the OSGeo Oceania / FOSS4G SotM Oceania principles, await funding outcomes. For anyone listening in, the conference budget is fully committed and relies on surplus to do anything not already budgeted. I’m  extremely positive that it will be ‘budget positive’ and we can contribute to some great earth-critical initiatives.

Perhaps we can use this year’s work to add GHG mitigation as an up front budget item in 2020!

Graeme, thanks for the calculator - I think a good approach is to use a few and take the median. I’m waiting on numbers from the organisations I’ve contacted, and will slowly get the modelling done in preparation for a pitch to the conference LoC / OSGeo Oceania board.

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Greg Lauer
It is an option for us to add a carbon credit option to the registration? Like the airlines do?


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Alex, 

Thanks for your in principle support - we’ll get all the numbers lined up and as per the OSGeo Oceania / FOSS4G SotM Oceania principles, await funding outcomes. For anyone listening in, the conference budget is fully committed and relies on surplus to do anything not already budgeted. I’m  extremely positive that it will be ‘budget positive’ and we can contribute to some great earth-critical initiatives.

Perhaps we can use this year’s work to add GHG mitigation as an up front budget item in 2020!

Graeme, thanks for the calculator - I think a good approach is to use a few and take the median. I’m waiting on numbers from the organisations I’ve contacted, and will slowly get the modelling done in preparation for a pitch to the conference LoC / OSGeo Oceania board.

Regards,

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Martin Tomko
Adam, I appreciate and admire your leadership here,  full support from me. 

I like that you linked 3, because I have long been very sceptical about the actual on the ground impact and reality of carbon "offsets". Maybe if we assure this is really land managed by a trusted AU/NZ nfp,  possibly by traditional owners,  there is some better assurance. 

On top of handling surplus: 
I never knew how one can offset when using say uni conference funds.  Would it be possible to have an option during registration,  to say "no swag pls,  just offset? Swag is usually not itemised on tickets,  hence no headache with reimboursements. 

Of course,  additional voluntary contributions (offset another participant) could be used too. 

Martin

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It is an option for us to add a carbon credit option to the registration? Like the airlines do?


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:47 PM adam steer <[hidden email]> wrote:
Alex, 

Thanks for your in principle support - we’ll get all the numbers lined up and as per the OSGeo Oceania / FOSS4G SotM Oceania principles, await funding outcomes. For anyone listening in, the conference budget is fully committed and relies on surplus to do anything not already budgeted. I’m  extremely positive that it will be ‘budget positive’ and we can contribute to some great earth-critical initiatives.

Perhaps we can use this year’s work to add GHG mitigation as an up front budget item in 2020!

Graeme, thanks for the calculator - I think a good approach is to use a few and take the median. I’m waiting on numbers from the organisations I’ve contacted, and will slowly get the modelling done in preparation for a pitch to the conference LoC / OSGeo Oceania board.

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adam steer-2
Martin, I am riding on the shoulders of giants as always :)

Greg, Martin: 

...maybe it’s my not so inner socialist: I think responsibility here lies with the organisation (conference / OSGeo Oceania). We already ask a lot of community members, the financial burden is likely to be small, it’s less work to just commit (no extra tito fields, less accounting, good organisation vibes etc) - especially as an org seeking to represent nations who are at risk.

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Sebastian Spiess
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Hi, while I won't be attending I wanted to say that this is a great initiative.
Thanks for initiating it.

On 17 June 2019 7:13:31 pm AEST, adam steer <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi folks

Following from an earlier discussion [1] on osgeo-oceania about offsetting emissions which are incurred by getting to FOSS4G SotM Oceania, there’s been a long chat in the Maptime Australia slack channel about creating a low-carbon conference.

This has also been raised as an issue for the global FOSS4G [2].

The upshot of the conversation is that we’re looking at ways to mitigate our impact on the planet using something other than throwing money at offsetters [3].

With that in mind, I’ve sent enquiries to Bush Heritage Australia [4] and the NZ Native Forest Regeneration Trust [5] about donating an amount to work toward landscape-scale forest and biodiversity restoration - since buying acres of maybe-never-planted monoculture is really not a solution (see [3]).

The idea is that the conference uses some of its budget (amount TBA) to ‘offset’ the event. Since the event is in NZ, the main carbon source is air travel - so I’ll do some modelling work to estimate travel GHG emissions, based initially on 2018 attendees and refining as we go.

If you have any useful tools to hand for that task to hand, I’d appreciate hearing about them (or better! collaboration!). John Bryant already suggested this one: https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/CarbonOffset/Pages/default.aspx

If you know any other ‘boots on ground’ organisations we should consider, also please let us know.

Regards

Adam



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adam steer-2
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hey folks

waking this conversation up again - there’s some interest from Parks Victoria around applying funding from a GHG offset scheme to restore yellow box woodland - which is direct, local and observable.


…using the ICAO flight emissions calculator. So far we’re up to about 48t CO2 based on my assumptions around who comes from where - and no additions from south pacific islands yet. If you have any input on those numbers please add comments.

Next step is to work more on how much money is appropriate for a programme to sequester 48t of CO2 based on existing offset programmes. Then, have a chat with Parks Victoria around how far that amount goes.

I’ll add those estimates in the same sheet.

Regards

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Martin Tomko

Looks reasonable to me, nice calculation.

I like the chat with parks Vic, local offset is likely best.

M.

 

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hey folks

 

waking this conversation up again - there’s some interest from Parks Victoria around applying funding from a GHG offset scheme to restore yellow box woodland - which is direct, local and observable.

 

 

…using the ICAO flight emissions calculator. So far we’re up to about 48t CO2 based on my assumptions around who comes from where - and no additions from south pacific islands yet. If you have any input on those numbers please add comments.

 

Next step is to work more on how much money is appropriate for a programme to sequester 48t of CO2 based on existing offset programmes. Then, have a chat with Parks Victoria around how far that amount goes.

 

I’ll add those estimates in the same sheet.

 

Regards

 

Adam

 

 


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Edoardo Neerhut
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Fantastic work on this Adam. Parks Victoria would be a wonderful organisation to fund offset with. Much better than a Cayman Island registered organisation with plantations in the Amazon. Hopefully the costs of this approach are within the real of possibility for us.

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hey folks

waking this conversation up again - there’s some interest from Parks Victoria around applying funding from a GHG offset scheme to restore yellow box woodland - which is direct, local and observable.


…using the ICAO flight emissions calculator. So far we’re up to about 48t CO2 based on my assumptions around who comes from where - and no additions from south pacific islands yet. If you have any input on those numbers please add comments.

Next step is to work more on how much money is appropriate for a programme to sequester 48t of CO2 based on existing offset programmes. Then, have a chat with Parks Victoria around how far that amount goes.

I’ll add those estimates in the same sheet.

Regards

Adam


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John Bryant
Great work Adam! I agree this looks like a worthwhile program.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 09:45, Edoardo Neerhut <[hidden email]> wrote:
Fantastic work on this Adam. Parks Victoria would be a wonderful organisation to fund offset with. Much better than a Cayman Island registered organisation with plantations in the Amazon. Hopefully the costs of this approach are within the real of possibility for us.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 15:26, adam steer <[hidden email]> wrote:
hey folks

waking this conversation up again - there’s some interest from Parks Victoria around applying funding from a GHG offset scheme to restore yellow box woodland - which is direct, local and observable.


…using the ICAO flight emissions calculator. So far we’re up to about 48t CO2 based on my assumptions around who comes from where - and no additions from south pacific islands yet. If you have any input on those numbers please add comments.

Next step is to work more on how much money is appropriate for a programme to sequester 48t of CO2 based on existing offset programmes. Then, have a chat with Parks Victoria around how far that amount goes.

I’ll add those estimates in the same sheet.

Regards

Adam


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Re: [talk-au] GHG mitigation and FOSS4G SotM Oceania

Dion Moult
I don't want to discourage from the local woodlands initiative, I think it's absolutely great to do.

I did want to being up the Cool Earth charity[1], which has been through lots of independent evaluation as to their effectiveness. Independent analysis suggests that their rate is at 0.71 USD per tCO2eq[2], but on their website it seems to be higher, approximately 2AUD per tCO2eq.

If you wanted to consider more than carbon... I have done some really ballpark explorations here:

https://thinkmoult.com/effective-altruism-living-net-positive-life.html

Great initiative!

1. https://www.coolearth.org/
2. https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/report/cool-earth/#3-overall-evaluation

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On 8 Aug. 2019, 5:47 pm, John Bryant < [hidden email]> wrote:

Great work Adam! I agree this looks like a worthwhile program.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 09:45, Edoardo Neerhut <[hidden email]> wrote:
Fantastic work on this Adam. Parks Victoria would be a wonderful organisation to fund offset with. Much better than a Cayman Island registered organisation with plantations in the Amazon. Hopefully the costs of this approach are within the real of possibility for us.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 15:26, adam steer <[hidden email]> wrote:
hey folks

waking this conversation up again - there’s some interest from Parks Victoria around applying funding from a GHG offset scheme to restore yellow box woodland - which is direct, local and observable.


…using the ICAO flight emissions calculator. So far we’re up to about 48t CO2 based on my assumptions around who comes from where - and no additions from south pacific islands yet. If you have any input on those numbers please add comments.

Next step is to work more on how much money is appropriate for a programme to sequester 48t of CO2 based on existing offset programmes. Then, have a chat with Parks Victoria around how far that amount goes.

I’ll add those estimates in the same sheet.

Regards

Adam


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Graeme Fitzpatrick
I've also seen reference to investing in mangroves.

Can't see the particular reference just now, but this also discusses the concept further

Possibly another option?

Thanks

Graeme

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