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Andreas Neumann-4

Hi,

Regarding the logo trademark:

Should we register both the name "QGIS" (as in a name string not as in a logo) and the single logo with the "Q" - the grayscale version of our colored "Q" as proposed - or the colored version? We can't register different variations.

What does "using" the trademark mean in order to not loose it? What exactly does it mean?

Andreas

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Subject: Re: Fwd: QGIS: cambio intestazione e nuovo logo
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:33:52 +0200
From: Carlo Piana [hidden email]
Organization: Array.eu
To: Andreas Neumann [hidden email], Simone Aliprandi [hidden email], Paolo Cavallini [hidden email]


Hi, sorry for not being responsive earlier, but it was the only really
really off week in my year so far.

There is no such a thing as registering variants. Usually one registers
a grayscale version, so they are able to change colors without losing a
bit of protection (you don't claim colors), but there is no way to have
different shapes. You can have several shapes and you might claim
protection also for part of it (that's not entirely to be taken for
granted), the same way when you register a logo and claim protection
also for the verbal part alone. But it is sort of a hack.

In this case, I would use a grayscale version of the color complete logo.

Mind that in order not to lose protection of the trademark, you should
use it. Not using the trademark for 5 years in a row can lead to
annulment for not use. In the States you are compelled to prove
continuous, non incospicuous use when you apply for renewal. In EU
that's not strictly necessary. Sometimes people register both the logo
and the name to be safer, but I regard it as frequently unnecessary.

Please instruct.



On 06/09/2017 11:22, Andreas Neumann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sounds good. There is no hurry.
> 
> One question that came up is what to do with logo variations. Our
> current logo variations are listed at
> http://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/styleguide.html Most notably,
> there are the two variations where there is just the "Q" and then the
> full text "QGIS". And then there is the black and white version.
> 
> So it would be good if you could look into what it means to register
> variations of the logo.
> 
> Looking forward to hear again from you.
> 
> Thanks and greetings,
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 
> On 05.09.2017 11:36, Simone Aliprandi wrote:
>> Perfect, Paolo.
>> However, as you know, for completing the trademark procedure I need
>> the collaboration of my colleague Carlo Piana (who is CC).
>> Carlo is now on holiday and he will be back next week.
>> So you have to wait a few days more.
>> Thanks very much. Bye, Simone
>> -- 
>> Simone Aliprandi - http://www.aliprandi.org | http://www.array.eu
>>
>>
>> Il 4 settembre 2017 08:27, Paolo Cavallini [hidden email] ha
>> scritto:
>>> Ciao Simone,
>>> it is probably better if you coordinate directly with our Treasurer,
>>> Andreas Neumann, in cc, for further work on this.
>>> All best wishes, and thanks.
> 


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Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: QGIS: cambio intestazione e nuovo logo

Anita Graser
Hi Andreas,

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Andreas Neumann <[hidden email]> wrote:

Should we register both the name "QGIS" (as in a name string not as in a logo) and the single logo with the "Q" - the grayscale version of our colored "Q" as proposed - or the colored version? We can't register different variations.

​Seems like the lawyer thinks that registering a greyscale QGIS ​logo (not the Q alone) would be sufficient. I'd go with that. 

What do you mean with "
as in a name string not as in a logo"? The lawyer wrote: "
In this case, I would use a grayscale version of the color complete logo." I think "complete logo" refers to the logo that spells out QGIS.

What does "using" the trademark mean in order to not loose it? What exactly does it mean?

​I suggest asking the lawyer if presenting the trademark on our website, as we have done in the past, is enough.​

​Regards,
Anita​


 

Andreas

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Fwd: QGIS: cambio intestazione e nuovo logo
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:33:52 +0200
From: Carlo Piana [hidden email]
Organization: Array.eu
To: Andreas Neumann [hidden email], Simone Aliprandi [hidden email], Paolo Cavallini [hidden email]


Hi, sorry for not being responsive earlier, but it was the only really
really off week in my year so far.

There is no such a thing as registering variants. Usually one registers
a grayscale version, so they are able to change colors without losing a
bit of protection (you don't claim colors), but there is no way to have
different shapes. You can have several shapes and you might claim
protection also for part of it (that's not entirely to be taken for
granted), the same way when you register a logo and claim protection
also for the verbal part alone. But it is sort of a hack.

​​
In this case, I would use a grayscale version of the color complete logo. Mind that in order not to lose protection of the trademark, you should use it. Not using the trademark for 5 years in a row can lead to annulment for not use. In the States you are compelled to prove continuous, non incospicuous use when you apply for renewal. In EU that's not strictly necessary. Sometimes people register both the logo and the name to be safer, but I regard it as frequently unnecessary. Please instruct. On 06/09/2017 11:22, Andreas Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > Sounds good. There is no hurry. > > One question that came up is what to do with logo variations. Our > current logo variations are listed at > http://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/styleguide.html Most notably, > there are the two variations where there is just the "Q" and then the > full text "QGIS". And then there is the black and white version. > > So it would be good if you could look into what it means to register > variations of the logo. > > Looking forward to hear again from you. > > Thanks and greetings, > > Andreas > > > On 05.09.2017 11:36, Simone Aliprandi wrote: >> Perfect, Paolo. >> However, as you know, for completing the trademark procedure I need >> the collaboration of my colleague Carlo Piana (who is CC). >> Carlo is now on holiday and he will be back next week. >> So you have to wait a few days more. >> Thanks very much. Bye, Simone >> -- >> Simone Aliprandi - http://www.aliprandi.org | http://www.array.eu >> >> >> Il 4 settembre 2017 08:27, Paolo Cavallini [hidden email] ha >> scritto: >>> Ciao Simone, >>> it is probably better if you coordinate directly with our Treasurer, >>> Andreas Neumann, in cc, for further work on this. >>> All best wishes, and thanks. >

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Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: QGIS: cambio intestazione e nuovo logo

Tim Sutton-5


On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Anita Graser <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Andreas,

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Andreas Neumann <[hidden email]> wrote:

Should we register both the name "QGIS" (as in a name string not as in a logo) and the single logo with the "Q" - the grayscale version of our colored "Q" as proposed - or the colored version? We can't register different variations.

​Seems like the lawyer thinks that registering a greyscale QGIS ​logo (not the Q alone) would be sufficient. I'd go with that. 

What do you mean with "
as in a name string not as in a logo"? The lawyer wrote: "
In this case, I would use a grayscale version of the color complete logo." I think "complete logo" refers to the logo that spells out QGIS.

What does "using" the trademark mean in order to not loose it? What exactly does it mean?


I think 'using' means publishing materials that make use the trademark. I think they are trying to prevent people 'parking' names and never using them. So we should have no problem in this regard.

Regards

Tim


 
​I suggest asking the lawyer if presenting the trademark on our website, as we have done in the past, is enough.​

​Regards,
Anita​


 

Andreas

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Fwd: QGIS: cambio intestazione e nuovo logo
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:33:52 +0200
From: Carlo Piana [hidden email]
Organization: Array.eu
To: Andreas Neumann [hidden email], Simone Aliprandi [hidden email], Paolo Cavallini [hidden email]


Hi, sorry for not being responsive earlier, but it was the only really
really off week in my year so far.

There is no such a thing as registering variants. Usually one registers
a grayscale version, so they are able to change colors without losing a
bit of protection (you don't claim colors), but there is no way to have
different shapes. You can have several shapes and you might claim
protection also for part of it (that's not entirely to be taken for
granted), the same way when you register a logo and claim protection
also for the verbal part alone. But it is sort of a hack.

​​
In this case, I would use a grayscale version of the color complete logo. Mind that in order not to lose protection of the trademark, you should use it. Not using the trademark for 5 years in a row can lead to annulment for not use. In the States you are compelled to prove continuous, non incospicuous use when you apply for renewal. In EU that's not strictly necessary. Sometimes people register both the logo and the name to be safer, but I regard it as frequently unnecessary. Please instruct. On 06/09/2017 11:22, Andreas Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > Sounds good. There is no hurry. > > One question that came up is what to do with logo variations. Our > current logo variations are listed at > http://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/styleguide.html Most notably, > there are the two variations where there is just the "Q" and then the > full text "QGIS". And then there is the black and white version. > > So it would be good if you could look into what it means to register > variations of the logo. > > Looking forward to hear again from you. > > Thanks and greetings, > > Andreas > > > On 05.09.2017 11:36, Simone Aliprandi wrote: >> Perfect, Paolo. >> However, as you know, for completing the trademark procedure I need >> the collaboration of my colleague Carlo Piana (who is CC). >> Carlo is now on holiday and he will be back next week. >> So you have to wait a few days more. >> Thanks very much. Bye, Simone >> -- >> Simone Aliprandi - http://www.aliprandi.org | http://www.array.eu >> >> >> Il 4 settembre 2017 08:27, Paolo Cavallini [hidden email] ha >> scritto: >>> Ciao Simone, >>> it is probably better if you coordinate directly with our Treasurer, >>> Andreas Neumann, in cc, for further work on this. >>> All best wishes, and thanks. >

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