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Tim Sutton-6
FYI 

Ditch it, subscribe or apply for the free version?

Tim Sutton 
Co-founder of Kartoza 
Ex-QGIS project chairman 

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From: Michael from Loomio <[hidden email]>
Date: 18 June 2019 at 07:24:46 CEST
To: Tim Sutton <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes
Reply-To: [hidden email]

Hi,

Thanks for using Loomio! I’m writing to you as coordinator of an active Loomio group which is on a legacy free plan. There are changes coming, so please read this message in full as it contains important information that may affect how you use this service.

Loomio 2.0

Many of you told us that you would like a mobile app version of Loomio, and we listened. We are currently working on a mobile-first Loomio experience and can’t wait to share more about this and other new features with you!  

 

Changes to subscription plans

Since launching in 2012, we have helped more than 100,000 groups collaborate, engage with members and reach decisions together. We feel honored to have walked alongside many of you on this journey.  

Our goal is to continue providing you with an excellent service, while also developing Loomio so it can work better for you. Our vision is to help organizations like yours work better collectively, now and into the future.

As you can imagine, there are real costs to hosting, supporting and developing Loomio software.  So that we can continue development and support for Loomio, we have implemented new pricing plans at loomio.org/pricing.

 

As a social enterprise and worker cooperative – paid subscriptions are our lifeblood and help us sponsor unfunded community groups.

What this means for you

 

Your group is currently on one of our legacy plans and we need to clarify plan status to ensure no disruption to your Loomio use.  We are asking you to upgrade to a paid subscription plan or apply to continue using Loomio for free.

 

Please select one of the options below.

Option 1: 50% off all paid plans for life - limited time offer 15 July 2019

Upgrade your group to a current paid subscription plan. In thanks for your active support, we are offering a 50% discount off paid plans, for your group for life!  Use coupon code LOOMIO50 when you upgrade. Applicable for commercial and funded non profit organizations including political parties.

 

  • Small (up to 50 people): $US 24.50 per month ($245.00 per year)

  • Medium (up to 500 people): $US 74.50 per month ($745.00 per year)

Option 2: Membership organization

If your group is a volunteer or member supported organization, apply for special rates on annual plans with the Member supported application form. Applicable for some activist organizations, co-housing groups, community groups, collectives, sports clubs and spiritual groups:

  • Small (up to 50 people): $US 98.00 per year

  • Medium (up to 500 people): $US 149.00 per year

Option 3: Unfunded community group

We sponsor Loomio free to unfunded groups such as activists, hobby groups, classroom education, families and friends.

 

If your group has no funds, apply for a free sponsored plan with our Community Application form.  

Act now to avoid disruption to your service

We will soon be shifting all legacy groups we have not heard from to trial status, with limits on the number of threads and people invited. If your group has already exceeded the limits, you may not be able to invite new people or start new threads.  

Please either upgrade your subscription plan or contact us by 15 July 2019.

Feedback  

If you have any questions about these changes at Loomio, please don’t hesitate to ask. We would love to hear how Loomio is working for you via email reply, or book a time for a call here.

More information is available in Subscription pricing.

Thank you for your ongoing support.

Warm regards, Michael

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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

Marco Bernasocchi-2
Hey Tim I already put the link in the July Psc meetings discussion.
I don't think we can apply for the free version (fon unfunded community groups). if we apply we should apply for the membership organisation (100US$ per year with up to 50 members or 150 with up to 500)

maybe we could just starting votes when needed on github instead? one issue per vote like we do for QEP?

cheers
Marco


On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 08:28 Tim Sutton, <[hidden email]> wrote:
FYI 

Ditch it, subscribe or apply for the free version?

Tim Sutton 
Co-founder of Kartoza 
Ex-QGIS project chairman 

Begin forwarded message:

From: Michael from Loomio <[hidden email]>
Date: 18 June 2019 at 07:24:46 CEST
To: Tim Sutton <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes
Reply-To: [hidden email]

Hi,

Thanks for using Loomio! I’m writing to you as coordinator of an active Loomio group which is on a legacy free plan. There are changes coming, so please read this message in full as it contains important information that may affect how you use this service.

Loomio 2.0

Many of you told us that you would like a mobile app version of Loomio, and we listened. We are currently working on a mobile-first Loomio experience and can’t wait to share more about this and other new features with you!  

 

Changes to subscription plans

Since launching in 2012, we have helped more than 100,000 groups collaborate, engage with members and reach decisions together. We feel honored to have walked alongside many of you on this journey.  

Our goal is to continue providing you with an excellent service, while also developing Loomio so it can work better for you. Our vision is to help organizations like yours work better collectively, now and into the future.

As you can imagine, there are real costs to hosting, supporting and developing Loomio software.  So that we can continue development and support for Loomio, we have implemented new pricing plans at loomio.org/pricing.

 

As a social enterprise and worker cooperative – paid subscriptions are our lifeblood and help us sponsor unfunded community groups.

What this means for you

 

Your group is currently on one of our legacy plans and we need to clarify plan status to ensure no disruption to your Loomio use.  We are asking you to upgrade to a paid subscription plan or apply to continue using Loomio for free.

 

Please select one of the options below.

Option 1: 50% off all paid plans for life - limited time offer 15 July 2019

Upgrade your group to a current paid subscription plan. In thanks for your active support, we are offering a 50% discount off paid plans, for your group for life!  Use coupon code LOOMIO50 when you upgrade. Applicable for commercial and funded non profit organizations including political parties.

 

  • Small (up to 50 people): $US 24.50 per month ($245.00 per year)

  • Medium (up to 500 people): $US 74.50 per month ($745.00 per year)

Option 2: Membership organization

If your group is a volunteer or member supported organization, apply for special rates on annual plans with the Member supported application form. Applicable for some activist organizations, co-housing groups, community groups, collectives, sports clubs and spiritual groups:

  • Small (up to 50 people): $US 98.00 per year

  • Medium (up to 500 people): $US 149.00 per year

Option 3: Unfunded community group

We sponsor Loomio free to unfunded groups such as activists, hobby groups, classroom education, families and friends.

 

If your group has no funds, apply for a free sponsored plan with our Community Application form.  

Act now to avoid disruption to your service

We will soon be shifting all legacy groups we have not heard from to trial status, with limits on the number of threads and people invited. If your group has already exceeded the limits, you may not be able to invite new people or start new threads.  

Please either upgrade your subscription plan or contact us by 15 July 2019.

Feedback  

If you have any questions about these changes at Loomio, please don’t hesitate to ask. We would love to hear how Loomio is working for you via email reply, or book a time for a call here.

More information is available in Subscription pricing.

Thank you for your ongoing support.

Warm regards, Michael

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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

Régis Haubourg -2
Hi,
Le 18/06/2019 à 08:34, Marco Bernasocchi a écrit :
> maybe we could just starting votes when needed on github instead? one
> issue per vote like we do for QEP?

+1 reducing the number of tools and communication channels sounds more
important to me than having a perfect tool for this.

There are so simple poll tools available like
https://github.com/evenchange4/gh-polls-bot that seem to do the job.

Best regards

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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

Tim Sutton-6
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Hi


On 18 Jun 2019, at 08:34, Marco Bernasocchi <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hey Tim I already put the link in the July Psc meetings discussion.
I don't think we can apply for the free version (fon unfunded community groups). if we apply we should apply for the membership organisation (100US$ per year with up to 50 members or 150 with up to 500)

maybe we could just starting votes when needed on github instead? one issue per vote like we do for QEP?

+1 from me to move to GitHub…..I don’t like subscription services unless they bring massive value…..

T


cheers
Marco


On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 08:28 Tim Sutton, <[hidden email]> wrote:
FYI 

Ditch it, subscribe or apply for the free version?

Tim Sutton 
Co-founder of Kartoza 
Ex-QGIS project chairman 

Begin forwarded message:

From: Michael from Loomio <[hidden email]>
Date: 18 June 2019 at 07:24:46 CEST
To: Tim Sutton <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes
Reply-To: [hidden email]

Hi,

Thanks for using Loomio! I’m writing to you as coordinator of an active Loomio group which is on a legacy free plan. There are changes coming, so please read this message in full as it contains important information that may affect how you use this service.

Loomio 2.0

Many of you told us that you would like a mobile app version of Loomio, and we listened. We are currently working on a mobile-first Loomio experience and can’t wait to share more about this and other new features with you!  

 

Changes to subscription plans

Since launching in 2012, we have helped more than 100,000 groups collaborate, engage with members and reach decisions together. We feel honored to have walked alongside many of you on this journey.  

Our goal is to continue providing you with an excellent service, while also developing Loomio so it can work better for you. Our vision is to help organizations like yours work better collectively, now and into the future.

As you can imagine, there are real costs to hosting, supporting and developing Loomio software.  So that we can continue development and support for Loomio, we have implemented new pricing plans at loomio.org/pricing.

 

As a social enterprise and worker cooperative – paid subscriptions are our lifeblood and help us sponsor unfunded community groups.

What this means for you

 

Your group is currently on one of our legacy plans and we need to clarify plan status to ensure no disruption to your Loomio use.  We are asking you to upgrade to a paid subscription plan or apply to continue using Loomio for free.

 

Please select one of the options below.

Option 1: 50% off all paid plans for life - limited time offer 15 July 2019

Upgrade your group to a current paid subscription plan. In thanks for your active support, we are offering a 50% discount off paid plans, for your group for life!  Use coupon code LOOMIO50 when you upgrade. Applicable for commercial and funded non profit organizations including political parties.

 

  • Small (up to 50 people): $US 24.50 per month ($245.00 per year)
  • Medium (up to 500 people): $US 74.50 per month ($745.00 per year)

Option 2: Membership organization

If your group is a volunteer or member supported organization, apply for special rates on annual plans with the Member supported application form. Applicable for some activist organizations, co-housing groups, community groups, collectives, sports clubs and spiritual groups:

  • Small (up to 50 people): $US 98.00 per year
  • Medium (up to 500 people): $US 149.00 per year

Option 3: Unfunded community group

We sponsor Loomio free to unfunded groups such as activists, hobby groups, classroom education, families and friends.

 

If your group has no funds, apply for a free sponsored plan with our Community Application form.  

Act now to avoid disruption to your service

We will soon be shifting all legacy groups we have not heard from to trial status, with limits on the number of threads and people invited. If your group has already exceeded the limits, you may not be able to invite new people or start new threads.  

Please either upgrade your subscription plan or contact us by 15 July 2019.

Feedback  

If you have any questions about these changes at Loomio, please don’t hesitate to ask. We would love to hear how Loomio is working for you via email reply, or book a time for a call here.

More information is available in Subscription pricing.

Thank you for your ongoing support.


Warm regards, Michael

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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

Tim Sutton-6
In reply to this post by Marco Bernasocchi-2
By the way there is also a voting tool in projecta (aka the changelog site) that we wrote but no-one ever used - perhaps you could review it and we could give it a try? It has some nice features….

Regards

Tim

On 18 Jun 2019, at 08:34, Marco Bernasocchi <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hey Tim I already put the link in the July Psc meetings discussion.
I don't think we can apply for the free version (fon unfunded community groups). if we apply we should apply for the membership organisation (100US$ per year with up to 50 members or 150 with up to 500)

maybe we could just starting votes when needed on github instead? one issue per vote like we do for QEP?

cheers
Marco


On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 08:28 Tim Sutton, <[hidden email]> wrote:
FYI 

Ditch it, subscribe or apply for the free version?

Tim Sutton 
Co-founder of Kartoza 
Ex-QGIS project chairman 

Begin forwarded message:

From: Michael from Loomio <[hidden email]>
Date: 18 June 2019 at 07:24:46 CEST
To: Tim Sutton <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes
Reply-To: [hidden email]

Hi,

Thanks for using Loomio! I’m writing to you as coordinator of an active Loomio group which is on a legacy free plan. There are changes coming, so please read this message in full as it contains important information that may affect how you use this service.

Loomio 2.0

Many of you told us that you would like a mobile app version of Loomio, and we listened. We are currently working on a mobile-first Loomio experience and can’t wait to share more about this and other new features with you!  

 

Changes to subscription plans

Since launching in 2012, we have helped more than 100,000 groups collaborate, engage with members and reach decisions together. We feel honored to have walked alongside many of you on this journey.  

Our goal is to continue providing you with an excellent service, while also developing Loomio so it can work better for you. Our vision is to help organizations like yours work better collectively, now and into the future.

As you can imagine, there are real costs to hosting, supporting and developing Loomio software.  So that we can continue development and support for Loomio, we have implemented new pricing plans at loomio.org/pricing.

 

As a social enterprise and worker cooperative – paid subscriptions are our lifeblood and help us sponsor unfunded community groups.

What this means for you

 

Your group is currently on one of our legacy plans and we need to clarify plan status to ensure no disruption to your Loomio use.  We are asking you to upgrade to a paid subscription plan or apply to continue using Loomio for free.

 

Please select one of the options below.

Option 1: 50% off all paid plans for life - limited time offer 15 July 2019

Upgrade your group to a current paid subscription plan. In thanks for your active support, we are offering a 50% discount off paid plans, for your group for life!  Use coupon code LOOMIO50 when you upgrade. Applicable for commercial and funded non profit organizations including political parties.

 

  • Small (up to 50 people): $US 24.50 per month ($245.00 per year)
  • Medium (up to 500 people): $US 74.50 per month ($745.00 per year)

Option 2: Membership organization

If your group is a volunteer or member supported organization, apply for special rates on annual plans with the Member supported application form. Applicable for some activist organizations, co-housing groups, community groups, collectives, sports clubs and spiritual groups:

  • Small (up to 50 people): $US 98.00 per year
  • Medium (up to 500 people): $US 149.00 per year

Option 3: Unfunded community group

We sponsor Loomio free to unfunded groups such as activists, hobby groups, classroom education, families and friends.

 

If your group has no funds, apply for a free sponsored plan with our Community Application form.  

Act now to avoid disruption to your service

We will soon be shifting all legacy groups we have not heard from to trial status, with limits on the number of threads and people invited. If your group has already exceeded the limits, you may not be able to invite new people or start new threads.  

Please either upgrade your subscription plan or contact us by 15 July 2019.

Feedback  

If you have any questions about these changes at Loomio, please don’t hesitate to ask. We would love to hear how Loomio is working for you via email reply, or book a time for a call here.

More information is available in Subscription pricing.

Thank you for your ongoing support.


Warm regards, Michael

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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

Andreas Neumann-3
In reply to this post by Régis Haubourg -2
don't we still want to move to Gitlab?

If we start using more and more GitHub AddOns and Plugins we even lock ourselves more into the platform ...

Just my 2 cents ...
Andreas

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 08:44, Régis Haubourg <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,
Le 18/06/2019 à 08:34, Marco Bernasocchi a écrit :
> maybe we could just starting votes when needed on github instead? one
> issue per vote like we do for QEP?

+1 reducing the number of tools and communication channels sounds more
important to me than having a perfect tool for this.

There are so simple poll tools available like
https://github.com/evenchange4/gh-polls-bot that seem to do the job.

Best regards

Régis


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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

Sandro Santilli-4
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On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 08:28:02AM +0200, Tim Sutton wrote:
> FYI
>
> Ditch it, subscribe or apply for the free version?

Install an instance on OSGeo infra is not even considered ?
If I'm not mistaken OSGeo board also uses loomio.

What it takes: someone who likes "loomio" so much that wants
to learn internals (how to install it, basically).

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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

Tim Sutton-6
Hi


On 19 Jun 2019, at 16:20, Sandro Santilli <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 08:28:02AM +0200, Tim Sutton wrote:
FYI

Ditch it, subscribe or apply for the free version?

Install an instance on OSGeo infra is not even considered ?
If I'm not mistaken OSGeo board also uses loomio.

What it takes: someone who likes "loomio" so much that wants
to learn internals (how to install it, basically).

+ someone who wants to manage yet another piece of QGIS infrastructure….

Is OSGEO using a self hosted instance?

Regards

Tim



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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

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On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:22 PM Tim Sutton <[hidden email]> wrote:
Is OSGEO using a self hosted instance?

No, afaik.

I'd also be +1 for reusing existing infrastructure such as Github.

Alternatively, some of our votings (such as the one for grant proposals) also run on Google Forms.

Anita

 

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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

pcav
Hi all,
I still think we can manage discussions and voting with the good old
mailing lists, plus manual counting at the end of it. IMHO discussions
are far more important than votes.
Cheers.

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> No, afaik.
>
> I'd also be +1 for reusing existing infrastructure such as Github.
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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

Marco Bernasocchi-2
hi all

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019, 05:55 Paolo Cavallini, <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all,
I still think we can manage discussions and voting with the good old
mailing lists, plus manual counting at the end of it.
to me that is a big -1 personally i hate mailing lists since the always turn into a mess.

IMHO discussions
are far more important than votes.
absolutely and that is why I was suggesting to reuse the QEP model that has proven to be working very well. where discussions can be followed in an ordered place.

cheers Marco

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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

Tim Sutton-6
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Hi



On 20 Jun 2019, at 05:52, Paolo Cavallini <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,
I still think we can manage discussions and voting with the good old
mailing lists, plus manual counting at the end of it. IMHO discussions
are far more important than votes.
Cheers.

We used to do that in the past and it was 

1) very difficult to locate decisions that were proposed
2) very difficult to see what the actual resolution was
3) Painful because people would keep changing their votes / trying to change the topic / starting subthreads, often unrelated

If we do it in email it needs to be managed in a way to prevent these kind of issues, but personally I would still prefer a specific form with specific responses, a specific time frame and the ability to go to one place and review all previous questions raised and their outcomes.

Regards

Tim


 




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Re: Fwd: [Action required] Loomio group plan changes

Sandro Santilli-4
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 09:01:50AM +0200, Tim Sutton wrote:

> 1) very difficult to locate decisions that were proposed
> 2) very difficult to see what the actual resolution was

Speaking of which... does the loomio policy have implications
on the reachability of URLs that might have been published
in mailing list archives and documentations/tickets ?

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