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JonathanNeufeld

Hi All,

 

I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.

 

Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.

 

As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.

 

In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.

 

Regards,

Jon

 

 

JONATHAN NEUFELD

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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

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Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.

I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?

A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
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On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi All, 
 
I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
 
Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/. 
 
As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
 
In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
 
Regards,
Jon 
 
 
JONATHAN NEUFELD
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Jerome St-Louis-2

Steven,

Jeff alone owns and controls the domain.

Dear Jeff,

Please either re-direct to the actual FOSS4G 2020 event, or at least take down or clarify the content.

It is very confusing because the website does not even clearly state that this was a proposal / bid.

This is quite embarrassing for everyone from the LOC listed on the TEAM HFX link, especially Karine, myself and Thierry who are featured prominently there with pictures and all.

Thank you.

All the best,


Jérôme Jacovella-St-Louis
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On 12/1/19 2:08 PM, Steven Feldman wrote:
Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.

I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?

A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
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On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi All, 
 
I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
 
Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/. 
 
As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
 
In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
 
Regards,
Jon 
 
 
JONATHAN NEUFELD
CO-CHAIR 
FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

jody.garnett
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We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.

As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.  

It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark. 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jody

Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?

Regards
Steven


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On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:


We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.

I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.

In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).

Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
--
Jody Garnett


On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.

I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?

A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
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On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi All, 
 
I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
 
Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/. 
 
As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
 
In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
 
Regards,
Jon 
 
 
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Mark Iliffe-2
Hi Jody,

I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.

As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary. 

I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this. 

There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.

Cheers,

Mark 

On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:

k
We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.

As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.  

It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark. 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jody

Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?

Regards
Steven


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Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:


We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.

I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.

In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).

Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
--
Jody Garnett


On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.

I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?

A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
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On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi All, 
 
I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
 
Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/. 
 
As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
 
In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
 
Regards,
Jon 
 
 
JONATHAN NEUFELD
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FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Jerome St-Louis-2

Jody,

AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html

I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?

However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?

The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?

Best regards,

-Jerome

On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)

But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?

Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site. 

I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him. 

Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Jody,

I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.

As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary. 

I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this. 

There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.

Cheers,

Mark 

On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:

k
We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.

As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.  

It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark. 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jody
,
Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?

Regards
Steven


+44 (0) 7958 924101
Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:


We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.

I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.

In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).

Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
--
Jody Garnett


On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.

I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?

A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
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On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi All, 
 
I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
 
Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/. 
 
As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
 
In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
 
Regards,
Jon 
 
 
JONATHAN NEUFELD
CO-CHAIR 
FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

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1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.

It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.

However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?
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On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jody,

AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html

I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?

However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?

The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?

Best regards,

-Jerome

On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)

But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?

Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site. 

I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him. 

Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Jody,

I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.

As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary. 

I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this. 

There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.

Cheers,

Mark 

On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:

k
We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.

As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.  

It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark. 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jody
,
Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?

Regards
Steven


+44 (0) 7958 924101
Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:


We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.

I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.

In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).

Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
--
Jody Garnett


On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.

I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?

A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
______
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On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi All, 
 
I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
 
Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/. 
 
As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
 
In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
 
Regards,
Jon 
 
 
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

JonathanNeufeld

Hi All,

 

Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.

I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.

 

We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.

 

I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.

 

Regards,

Jon

 

 

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1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.

 

It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.

 

However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?

--

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On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jody,

AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html

I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?

 

However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?

The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?


Best regards,


-Jerome

 

On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)

 

But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?

 

Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site. 

 

I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him. 

 

Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Jody,

 

I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.

 

As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary. 

 

I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this. 

 

There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark 

On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:

k

We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.

 

As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.  

 

It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark. 

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jody

,

Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?

Regards

Steven

 

 

+44 (0) 7958 924101

Sent from my iPhone



On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:



We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.

 

I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.

 

In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).

 

Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).

--

Jody Garnett

 

 

On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.

 

I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?

 

A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?

______
Steven

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On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

Hi All, 

 

I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.

 

Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/

 

As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.

 

In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.

 

Regards,

Jon 

 

 

JONATHAN NEUFELD

CO-CHAIR 

FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY

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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Karine Jean-3
Hi All,

Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information before responding.

Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.

Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.

Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great event in Calgary in 2020.

Regards,

Karine  

Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> a écrit :

Hi All,

 

Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.

I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.

 

We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.

 

I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.

 

Regards,

Jon

 

 

From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jody Garnett
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

 

1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.

 

It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.

 

However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?

--

Jody Garnett

 

 

On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jody,

AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html

I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?

 

However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?

The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?


Best regards,


-Jerome

 

On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)

 

But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?

 

Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site. 

 

I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him. 

 

Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Jody,

 

I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.

 

As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary. 

 

I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this. 

 

There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark 

On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:

k

We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.

 

As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.  

 

It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark. 

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jody

,

Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?

Regards

Steven

 

 

+44 (0) 7958 924101

Sent from my iPhone



On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:



We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.

 

I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.

 

In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).

 

Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).

--

Jody Garnett

 

 

On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.

 

I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?

 

A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?

______
Steven

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On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

Hi All, 

 

I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.

 

Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/

 

As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.

 

In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.

 

Regards,

Jon 

 

 

JONATHAN NEUFELD

CO-CHAIR 

FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY

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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Eli Adam
Hi all,

I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this
without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community and
we should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that it
should be addressed soon.

Best regards, Eli


On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information before responding.
>
> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.
>
> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.
>
> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great event in Calgary in 2020.
>
> Regards,
>
> Karine
>
> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.
>>
>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.
>>
>>
>>
>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jody Garnett
>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion
>>
>>
>>
>> Good idea let us check: https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolution-policy
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.
>>
>>
>>
>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
>>
>>
>>
>> However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Jody,
>>
>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
>>
>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?
>>
>>
>>
>> However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
>>
>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> -Jerome
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>
>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
>>
>>
>>
>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jody,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> k
>>
>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Jody
>>
>> ,
>>
>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).
>>
>>
>>
>> Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?
>>
>>
>>
>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
>>
>> ______
>> Steven
>>
>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
>>
>> CO-CHAIR
>>
>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
>>
>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
>>
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>> --
>>
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>>
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>> --
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

JonathanNeufeld
Hi Eli,

I completely agree.

However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a FOSS4G in Halifax.
As per the website this morning he says:

"2019-12-03:  Hello again world!  We’re excited to announce that the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 !  The size and scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing will not.  Watch this space for more updates.  Thank you for all of the support!"

Another pop-up box indicates that
"2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit will exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for support!"

The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against another event in our own country, especially one being presented by an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board member. We will push forward and continue building a strong event for August, and we remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent global events.

Regards,
Jon



-----Original Message-----
From: Eli Adam <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev <[hidden email]>; osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Hi all,

I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community and we should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that it should be addressed soon.

Best regards, Eli


On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information before responding.
>
> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.
>
> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.
>
> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great event in Calgary in 2020.
>
> Regards,
>
> Karine
>
> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.
>>
>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.
>>
>>
>>
>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On
>> Behalf Of Jody Garnett
>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
>> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board
>> List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
>> confusion
>>
>>
>>
>> Good idea let us check:
>> https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio
>> n-policy
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.
>>
>>
>>
>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
>>
>>
>>
>> However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Jody,
>>
>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed
>> at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
>>
>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?
>>
>>
>>
>> However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
>>
>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> -Jerome
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>
>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board
>> meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
>>
>>
>>
>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jody,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> k
>>
>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Jody
>>
>> ,
>>
>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).
>>
>>
>>
>> Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?
>>
>>
>>
>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
>>
>> ______
>> Steven
>>
>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
>>
>> CO-CHAIR
>>
>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
>>
>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>
>> [hidden email]
>>
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Jonathan Moules-4
 > The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against
another event in our own country

While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are over 3700km
apart. Geographically at least that's like being disappointed there was
a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from FOSS4G proper
(Bucharest).

I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people
(hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe rather than
competing both groups could create a single merged event split across
two venues somehow.


On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:

> Hi Eli,
>
> I completely agree.
>
> However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a FOSS4G in Halifax.
> As per the website this morning he says:
>
> "2019-12-03:  Hello again world!  We’re excited to announce that the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 !  The size and scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing will not.  Watch this space for more updates.  Thank you for all of the support!"
>
> Another pop-up box indicates that
> "2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit will exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for support!"
>
> The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against another event in our own country, especially one being presented by an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board member. We will push forward and continue building a strong event for August, and we remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent global events.
>
> Regards,
> Jon
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eli Adam <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
> To: Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev <[hidden email]>; osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion
>
> Hi all,
>
> I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community and we should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that it should be addressed soon.
>
> Best regards, Eli
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information before responding.
>>
>> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.
>>
>> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.
>>
>> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great event in Calgary in 2020.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Karine
>>
>> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.
>>>
>>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On
>>> Behalf Of Jody Garnett
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
>>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
>>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
>>> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board
>>> List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
>>> confusion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good idea let us check:
>>> https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio
>>> n-policy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jody,
>>>
>>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed
>>> at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
>>>
>>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
>>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
>>>
>>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> -Jerome
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board
>>> meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jody,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> k
>>>
>>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jody
>>>
>>> ,
>>>
>>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
>>>
>>> ______
>>> Steven
>>>
>>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
>>>
>>> CO-CHAIR
>>>
>>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
>>>
>>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>>
>>> [hidden email]
>>>
>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev


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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

stevenfeldman
Jonathan

The time for considering a “merged” event was during the RfP process a year ago, not now. 
______
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On 4 Dec 2019, at 12:49, Jonathan Moules <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against another event in our own country

While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are over 3700km apart. Geographically at least that's like being disappointed there was a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from FOSS4G proper (Bucharest).

I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people (hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe rather than competing both groups could create a single merged event split across two venues somehow.


On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:
Hi Eli,

I completely agree.

However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a FOSS4G in Halifax.
As per the website this morning he says:

"2019-12-03:  Hello again world!  We’re excited to announce that the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 !  The size and scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing will not.  Watch this space for more updates.  Thank you for all of the support!"

Another pop-up box indicates that
"2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit will exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for support!"

The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against another event in our own country, especially one being presented by an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board member. We will push forward and continue building a strong event for August, and we remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent global events.

Regards,
Jon



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From: Eli Adam <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev <[hidden email]>; osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Hi all,

I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community and we should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that it should be addressed soon.

Best regards, Eli


On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi All,

Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information before responding.

Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.

Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.

Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great event in Calgary in 2020.

Regards,

Karine

Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hi All,



Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.

I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.



We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.



I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.



Regards,

Jon





From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On
Behalf Of Jody Garnett
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
<[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board
List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
confusion



Good idea let us check:
https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio
n-policy



1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.



It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.



However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?

--

Jody Garnett





On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jody,

AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed
at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html

I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?



However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?

The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?


Best regards,


-Jerome



On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board
meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)



But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?



Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site.



I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him.



Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?



On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Jody,



I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.



As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.



I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this.



There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.



Cheers,



Mark

On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:

k

We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.



As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.



It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.



On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jody

,

Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?

Regards

Steven





+44 (0) 7958 924101

Sent from my iPhone



On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:



We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.



I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.



In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).



Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).

--

Jody Garnett





On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.



I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?



A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?

______
Steven

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On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:



Hi All,



I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.



Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.



As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.



In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.



Regards,

Jon





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FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY

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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Paul Ramsey
In reply to this post by Jonathan Moules-4
No, it's not really.
The obvious place to put the energy and enthusiasm from a 2nd place
international bid is in running the next relevant regional conference,
FOSS4G-NA 2021 in our case, not in counter-programming against the
actual event.
I'd still like to visit Halifax some time, even some time soon.
ATB,
P.

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:51 AM Jonathan Moules
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>  > The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against
> another event in our own country
>
> While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are over 3700km
> apart. Geographically at least that's like being disappointed there was
> a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from FOSS4G proper
> (Bucharest).
>
> I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people
> (hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe rather than
> competing both groups could create a single merged event split across
> two venues somehow.
>
>
> On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:
> > Hi Eli,
> >
> > I completely agree.
> >
> > However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a FOSS4G in Halifax.
> > As per the website this morning he says:
> >
> > "2019-12-03:  Hello again world!  We’re excited to announce that the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 !  The size and scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing will not.  Watch this space for more updates.  Thank you for all of the support!"
> >
> > Another pop-up box indicates that
> > "2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit will exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for support!"
> >
> > The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against another event in our own country, especially one being presented by an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board member. We will push forward and continue building a strong event for August, and we remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent global events.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eli Adam <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
> > To: Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
> > Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev <[hidden email]>; osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community and we should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that it should be addressed soon.
> >
> > Best regards, Eli
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information before responding.
> >>
> >> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.
> >>
> >> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.
> >>
> >> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great event in Calgary in 2020.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Karine
> >>
> >> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> a écrit :
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Jon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On
> >>> Behalf Of Jody Garnett
> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
> >>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
> >>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
> >>> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board
> >>> List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> >>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
> >>> confusion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Good idea let us check:
> >>> https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio
> >>> n-policy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Jody Garnett
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jody,
> >>>
> >>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed
> >>> at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
> >>>
> >>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
> >>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
> >>>
> >>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Jerome
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board
> >>> meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Jody,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> k
> >>>
> >>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jody
> >>>
> >>> ,
> >>>
> >>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Steven
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Jody Garnett
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
> >>>
> >>> ______
> >>> Steven
> >>>
> >>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Jon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
> >>>
> >>> CO-CHAIR
> >>>
> >>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
> >>>
> >>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Conference_dev mailing list
> >>> [hidden email]
> >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Conference_dev mailing list
> >>> [hidden email]
> >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Jody Garnett
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Conference_dev mailing list
> >>> [hidden email]
> >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Jody Garnett
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Jerome St-Louis-2
There were some remarks not long after the bid where it was realized how
much efforts all LOC teams put in these bids, and that it unfortunately
ends up wasted while it could perhaps be used as proposals for e.g. the
regional bids.

I would very much support and encourage Jeff in aiming at FOSS4G-NA 2021
for FOSS4G-HFX, if the efforts could be recycled towards that possibility!

Best regards,

-Jerome


On 12/4/19 5:31 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:

> No, it's not really.
> The obvious place to put the energy and enthusiasm from a 2nd place
> international bid is in running the next relevant regional conference,
> FOSS4G-NA 2021 in our case, not in counter-programming against the
> actual event.
> I'd still like to visit Halifax some time, even some time soon.
> ATB,
> P.
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:51 AM Jonathan Moules
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>   > The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against
>> another event in our own country
>>
>> While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are over 3700km
>> apart. Geographically at least that's like being disappointed there was
>> a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from FOSS4G proper
>> (Bucharest).
>>
>> I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people
>> (hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe rather than
>> competing both groups could create a single merged event split across
>> two venues somehow.
>>
>>
>> On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:
>>> Hi Eli,
>>>
>>> I completely agree.
>>>
>>> However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a FOSS4G in Halifax.
>>> As per the website this morning he says:
>>>
>>> "2019-12-03:  Hello again world!  We’re excited to announce that the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 !  The size and scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing will not.  Watch this space for more updates.  Thank you for all of the support!"
>>>
>>> Another pop-up box indicates that
>>> "2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit will exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for support!"
>>>
>>> The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against another event in our own country, especially one being presented by an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board member. We will push forward and continue building a strong event for August, and we remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent global events.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Eli Adam <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
>>> To: Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
>>> Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev <[hidden email]>; osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community and we should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that it should be addressed soon.
>>>
>>> Best regards, Eli
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information before responding.
>>>>
>>>> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great event in Calgary in 2020.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Karine
>>>>
>>>> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Jody Garnett
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
>>>>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
>>>>> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board
>>>>> List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
>>>>> confusion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good idea let us check:
>>>>> https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio
>>>>> n-policy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jody,
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed
>>>>> at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
>>>>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
>>>>>
>>>>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jerome
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board
>>>>> meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> k
>>>>>
>>>>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jody
>>>>>
>>>>> ,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
>>>>>
>>>>> ______
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>
>>>>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
>>>>>
>>>>> CO-CHAIR
>>>>>
>>>>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
>>>>>
>>>>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)-2
I find this behaviour totally unacceptable, and I hope the OSGeo board
considers removing Jeff from charter membership and I think they should
even consider taking back his Sol Katz award. This cannot go without
consequences IMHO.

Clearly he hasn't gotten over the disappointment of his proposal not
winning, but this is not the way to deal with that.

Best regards,

Bart

On 04-12-2019 23:58, Jérôme St-Louis wrote:

> There were some remarks not long after the bid where it was realized
> how much efforts all LOC teams put in these bids, and that it
> unfortunately ends up wasted while it could perhaps be used as
> proposals for e.g. the regional bids.
>
> I would very much support and encourage Jeff in aiming at FOSS4G-NA
> 2021 for FOSS4G-HFX, if the efforts could be recycled towards that
> possibility!
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Jerome
>
>
> On 12/4/19 5:31 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:
>> No, it's not really.
>> The obvious place to put the energy and enthusiasm from a 2nd place
>> international bid is in running the next relevant regional conference,
>> FOSS4G-NA 2021 in our case, not in counter-programming against the
>> actual event.
>> I'd still like to visit Halifax some time, even some time soon.
>> ATB,
>> P.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:51 AM Jonathan Moules
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>   > The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against
>>> another event in our own country
>>>
>>> While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are over 3700km
>>> apart. Geographically at least that's like being disappointed there was
>>> a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from FOSS4G proper
>>> (Bucharest).
>>>
>>> I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people
>>> (hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe rather
>>> than
>>> competing both groups could create a single merged event split across
>>> two venues somehow.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:
>>>> Hi Eli,
>>>>
>>>> I completely agree.
>>>>
>>>> However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a FOSS4G
>>>> in Halifax.
>>>> As per the website this morning he says:
>>>>
>>>> "2019-12-03:  Hello again world!  We’re excited to announce that
>>>> the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 !  The size and
>>>> scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing
>>>> will not.  Watch this space for more updates.  Thank you for all of
>>>> the support!"
>>>>
>>>> Another pop-up box indicates that
>>>> "2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the back
>>>> of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit will
>>>> exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will
>>>> update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for
>>>> support!"
>>>>
>>>> The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against
>>>> another event in our own country, especially one being presented by
>>>> an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board member. We will push
>>>> forward and continue building a strong event for August, and we
>>>> remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest and best FOSS4G in
>>>> the history of excellent global events.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Eli Adam <[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
>>>> To: Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
>>>> Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]>;
>>>> [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
>>>> <[hidden email]>; osgeo-board List
>>>> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email];
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this
>>>> without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community
>>>> and we should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that
>>>> it should be addressed soon.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards, Eli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not
>>>>> have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the
>>>>> only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca
>>>>> site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have
>>>>> more information before responding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff
>>>>> to ask him if he could do anything about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the
>>>>> situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the
>>>>> site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will
>>>>> report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great
>>>>> event in Calgary in 2020.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Karine
>>>>>
>>>>> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld
>>>>> <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the
>>>>>> potential avenues to address it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she
>>>>>> was gracious and helpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar)
>>>>>> remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand
>>>>>> for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a
>>>>>> large conference with attendance consistently at or above the
>>>>>> 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting
>>>>>> so that it can confidently grow into the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Jody Garnett
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
>>>>>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
>>>>>> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board
>>>>>> List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
>>>>>> confusion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good idea let us check:
>>>>>> https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> n-policy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding
>>>>>> (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint
>>>>>> (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for
>>>>>> Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the
>>>>>> subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a
>>>>>> trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property
>>>>>> Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark
>>>>>> for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence
>>>>>> Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee
>>>>>> could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that
>>>>>> the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is
>>>>>> interfering with the conference in Calgary?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed
>>>>>> at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible
>>>>>> after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and
>>>>>> Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many
>>>>>> years?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec
>>>>>> names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially
>>>>>> called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact
>>>>>> that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
>>>>>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters
>>>>>> logo, and that may already be trademarked?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Jerome
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board
>>>>>> meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the
>>>>>> trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this
>>>>>> statement you disagree with?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark?
>>>>>> That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and
>>>>>> ask dot ca to remove this site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe
>>>>>> issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to
>>>>>> ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are
>>>>>> clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site
>>>>>> does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to
>>>>>> ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being
>>>>>> offered. The domain is the first step to this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this -
>>>>>> and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill
>>>>>> and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re
>>>>>> less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly
>>>>>> as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate
>>>>>> choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca
>>>>>> domain to intervene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer
>>>>>> capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have
>>>>>> spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed
>>>>>> it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jody
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will
>>>>>> just need to be handled if they occur.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are
>>>>>> empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome.
>>>>>> Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code
>>>>>> of conduct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list
>>>>>> for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray
>>>>>> list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they
>>>>>> attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think
>>>>>> to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of
>>>>>> conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to
>>>>>> behaviour).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Individual committees can also control their membership with a
>>>>>> motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so
>>>>>> forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in
>>>>>> position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to
>>>>>> do so as a result of inactivity).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the
>>>>>> foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax
>>>>>> bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove
>>>>>> the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think
>>>>>> it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to
>>>>>> award to Calgary not Halifax?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking
>>>>>> Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to
>>>>>> be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that
>>>>>> this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the
>>>>>> question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have
>>>>>> possibly gone rogue?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______
>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list,
>>>>>> however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month
>>>>>> with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your
>>>>>> Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing
>>>>>> confusion with some members of the community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a
>>>>>> successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site
>>>>>> for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G
>>>>>> 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CO-CHAIR
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Jonathan Moules-4
I'm wondering if someone can explain how this is different from having
FOSS4GUK and FOSS4G Bucharest within a month of each other and
geographically *much* closer? I'm not sure how being in the same country
is such an issue when the distances are so huge. I'd use an analogy of
two events on the opposite sides of a continent but... that's exactly
what's happening! From a green-sustainability perspective this seems
like a potential win.

I agree with Jerome's point and remember the conversation hence my
notion and wondering if this is an example of how the current system
doesn't work? I can see how a year later could make more sense but
that's for Jeff to decide. Given OSGeo is volunteer driven, shouldn't we
be encouraging well-meaning participation (even if contentious) rather
than lambasting it?

Cheers,

Jonathan


On 2019-12-05 07:45, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:

> I find this behaviour totally unacceptable, and I hope the OSGeo board
> considers removing Jeff from charter membership and I think they
> should even consider taking back his Sol Katz award. This cannot go
> without consequences IMHO.
>
> Clearly he hasn't gotten over the disappointment of his proposal not
> winning, but this is not the way to deal with that.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bart
>
> On 04-12-2019 23:58, Jérôme St-Louis wrote:
>> There were some remarks not long after the bid where it was realized
>> how much efforts all LOC teams put in these bids, and that it
>> unfortunately ends up wasted while it could perhaps be used as
>> proposals for e.g. the regional bids.
>>
>> I would very much support and encourage Jeff in aiming at FOSS4G-NA
>> 2021 for FOSS4G-HFX, if the efforts could be recycled towards that
>> possibility!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Jerome
>>
>>
>> On 12/4/19 5:31 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:
>>> No, it's not really.
>>> The obvious place to put the energy and enthusiasm from a 2nd place
>>> international bid is in running the next relevant regional conference,
>>> FOSS4G-NA 2021 in our case, not in counter-programming against the
>>> actual event.
>>> I'd still like to visit Halifax some time, even some time soon.
>>> ATB,
>>> P.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:51 AM Jonathan Moules
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>   > The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete
>>>> against
>>>> another event in our own country
>>>>
>>>> While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are over
>>>> 3700km
>>>> apart. Geographically at least that's like being disappointed there
>>>> was
>>>> a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from FOSS4G proper
>>>> (Bucharest).
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people
>>>> (hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe rather
>>>> than
>>>> competing both groups could create a single merged event split across
>>>> two venues somehow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:
>>>>> Hi Eli,
>>>>>
>>>>> I completely agree.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a
>>>>> FOSS4G in Halifax.
>>>>> As per the website this morning he says:
>>>>>
>>>>> "2019-12-03:  Hello again world!  We’re excited to announce that
>>>>> the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 !  The size and
>>>>> scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing
>>>>> will not.  Watch this space for more updates.  Thank you for all
>>>>> of the support!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Another pop-up box indicates that
>>>>> "2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the
>>>>> back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit
>>>>> will exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will
>>>>> update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for
>>>>> support!"
>>>>>
>>>>> The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete
>>>>> against another event in our own country, especially one being
>>>>> presented by an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board
>>>>> member. We will push forward and continue building a strong event
>>>>> for August, and we remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest
>>>>> and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent global events.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Eli Adam <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
>>>>> To: Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]>;
>>>>> [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
>>>>> <[hidden email]>; osgeo-board List
>>>>> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email];
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
>>>>> confusion
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this
>>>>> without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community
>>>>> and we should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that
>>>>> it should be addressed soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards, Eli
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not
>>>>>> have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the
>>>>>> only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca
>>>>>> site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have
>>>>>> more information before responding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to
>>>>>> Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the
>>>>>> situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the
>>>>>> site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will
>>>>>> report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great
>>>>>> event in Calgary in 2020.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the
>>>>>>> potential avenues to address it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she
>>>>>>> was gracious and helpful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar)
>>>>>>> remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand
>>>>>>> for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a
>>>>>>> large conference with attendance consistently at or above the
>>>>>>> 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth
>>>>>>> protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jody Garnett
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
>>>>>>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
>>>>>>> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board
>>>>>>> List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
>>>>>>> confusion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good idea let us check:
>>>>>>> https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> n-policy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding
>>>>>>> (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint
>>>>>>> (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements
>>>>>>> for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that
>>>>>>> is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to
>>>>>>> a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property
>>>>>>> Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the
>>>>>>> trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence
>>>>>>> Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee
>>>>>>> could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that
>>>>>>> the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is
>>>>>>> interfering with the conference in Calgary?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jody,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is
>>>>>>> listed
>>>>>>> at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible
>>>>>>> after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free
>>>>>>> and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for
>>>>>>> many years?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec
>>>>>>> names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially
>>>>>>> called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact
>>>>>>> that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
>>>>>>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters
>>>>>>> logo, and that may already be trademarked?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Jerome
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board
>>>>>>> meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the
>>>>>>> trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this
>>>>>>> statement you disagree with?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark?
>>>>>>> That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and
>>>>>>> ask dot ca to remove this site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone
>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe
>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe
>>>>>>> issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to
>>>>>>> ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are
>>>>>>> clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that
>>>>>>> site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to
>>>>>>> ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being
>>>>>>> offered. The domain is the first step to this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this -
>>>>>>> and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill
>>>>>>> and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re
>>>>>>> less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as
>>>>>>> quickly as possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate
>>>>>>> choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca
>>>>>>> domain to intervene.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer
>>>>>>> capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have
>>>>>>> spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed
>>>>>>> it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman
>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jody
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will
>>>>>>> just need to be handled if they occur.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are
>>>>>>> empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome.
>>>>>>> Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a
>>>>>>> code of conduct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list
>>>>>>> for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray
>>>>>>> list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they
>>>>>>> attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think
>>>>>>> to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of
>>>>>>> conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to
>>>>>>> behaviour).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Individual committees can also control their membership with a
>>>>>>> motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so
>>>>>>> forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in
>>>>>>> position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to
>>>>>>> do so as a result of inactivity).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman
>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the
>>>>>>> foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax
>>>>>>> bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove
>>>>>>> the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think
>>>>>>> it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to
>>>>>>> award to Calgary not Halifax?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking
>>>>>>> Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to
>>>>>>> be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that
>>>>>>> this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the
>>>>>>> question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to
>>>>>>> have possibly gone rogue?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ______
>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld
>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list,
>>>>>>> however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past
>>>>>>> month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me
>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your
>>>>>>> Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing
>>>>>>> confusion with some members of the community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a
>>>>>>> successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site
>>>>>>> for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G
>>>>>>> 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CO-CHAIR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)-2
You should compare this with when Sevilla and Bucharest were competing. Imagine Sevilla saying, we will continue with our conference anyway and we will compete with your event in Bucharest.

Best regards,
Bart

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> On 5 Dec 2019, at 12:02, Jonathan Moules <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if someone can explain how this is different from having FOSS4GUK and FOSS4G Bucharest within a month of each other and geographically *much* closer? I'm not sure how being in the same country is such an issue when the distances are so huge. I'd use an analogy of two events on the opposite sides of a continent but... that's exactly what's happening! From a green-sustainability perspective this seems like a potential win.
>
> I agree with Jerome's point and remember the conversation hence my notion and wondering if this is an example of how the current system doesn't work? I can see how a year later could make more sense but that's for Jeff to decide. Given OSGeo is volunteer driven, shouldn't we be encouraging well-meaning participation (even if contentious) rather than lambasting it?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>> On 2019-12-05 07:45, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>> I find this behaviour totally unacceptable, and I hope the OSGeo board considers removing Jeff from charter membership and I think they should even consider taking back his Sol Katz award. This cannot go without consequences IMHO.
>>
>> Clearly he hasn't gotten over the disappointment of his proposal not winning, but this is not the way to deal with that.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bart
>>
>>> On 04-12-2019 23:58, Jérôme St-Louis wrote:
>>> There were some remarks not long after the bid where it was realized how much efforts all LOC teams put in these bids, and that it unfortunately ends up wasted while it could perhaps be used as proposals for e.g. the regional bids.
>>>
>>> I would very much support and encourage Jeff in aiming at FOSS4G-NA 2021 for FOSS4G-HFX, if the efforts could be recycled towards that possibility!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Jerome
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/4/19 5:31 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:
>>>> No, it's not really.
>>>> The obvious place to put the energy and enthusiasm from a 2nd place
>>>> international bid is in running the next relevant regional conference,
>>>> FOSS4G-NA 2021 in our case, not in counter-programming against the
>>>> actual event.
>>>> I'd still like to visit Halifax some time, even some time soon.
>>>> ATB,
>>>> P.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:51 AM Jonathan Moules
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>   > The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against
>>>>> another event in our own country
>>>>>
>>>>> While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are over 3700km
>>>>> apart. Geographically at least that's like being disappointed there was
>>>>> a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from FOSS4G proper
>>>>> (Bucharest).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people
>>>>> (hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe rather than
>>>>> competing both groups could create a single merged event split across
>>>>> two venues somehow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Eli,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I completely agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a FOSS4G in Halifax.
>>>>>> As per the website this morning he says:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "2019-12-03:  Hello again world!  We’re excited to announce that the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 !  The size and scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing will not.  Watch this space for more updates.  Thank you for all of the support!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another pop-up box indicates that
>>>>>> "2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit will exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for support!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against another event in our own country, especially one being presented by an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board member. We will push forward and continue building a strong event for August, and we remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent global events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Eli Adam <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
>>>>>> To: Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev <[hidden email]>; osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community and we should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that it should be addressed soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards, Eli
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information before responding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great event in Calgary in 2020.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board
>>>>>>>> List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
>>>>>>>> confusion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good idea let us check:
>>>>>>>> https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio 
>>>>>>>> n-policy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jody,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed
>>>>>>>> at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
>>>>>>>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Jerome
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board
>>>>>>>> meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jody
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ______
>>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CO-CHAIR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

michael terner-2
Jonathan:
Europe has a population of ~741 million people; Canada has a population 37 million, and even with the USA counted the combined population is half of Europe (according to quick Google searches). And, for FOSS4G's the host country generally provides the largest proportion of delegates. It's not just distance, it's the number of people who can financially support an event. Last, and as pointed out earlier, North America has a history, i.e., an longstanding, intentional precedent, of not having a N. American only event in the same year that the global event occurs in N. America. Indeed, many conference goers have budget limitations that make it hard to support two events. On the other hand, Europe, supported by its large, diverse population, has a long history of supporting both a global and regional event in the same year.

+1 to the notion of Halifax potentially being a venue for the 2021 N. American event. (That said, I perceive the current actions surrounding the Halifax conference URL to be quite unnecessary and to be made in bad faith, which has the potential to color my own future perceptions of a Halifax event. That said, time tends to heal wounds.)

MT

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 6:30 AM Bart van den Eijnden <[hidden email]> wrote:
You should compare this with when Sevilla and Bucharest were competing. Imagine Sevilla saying, we will continue with our conference anyway and we will compete with your event in Bucharest.

Best regards,
Bart

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Dec 2019, at 12:02, Jonathan Moules <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if someone can explain how this is different from having FOSS4GUK and FOSS4G Bucharest within a month of each other and geographically *much* closer? I'm not sure how being in the same country is such an issue when the distances are so huge. I'd use an analogy of two events on the opposite sides of a continent but... that's exactly what's happening! From a green-sustainability perspective this seems like a potential win.
>
> I agree with Jerome's point and remember the conversation hence my notion and wondering if this is an example of how the current system doesn't work? I can see how a year later could make more sense but that's for Jeff to decide. Given OSGeo is volunteer driven, shouldn't we be encouraging well-meaning participation (even if contentious) rather than lambasting it?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>> On 2019-12-05 07:45, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>> I find this behaviour totally unacceptable, and I hope the OSGeo board considers removing Jeff from charter membership and I think they should even consider taking back his Sol Katz award. This cannot go without consequences IMHO.
>>
>> Clearly he hasn't gotten over the disappointment of his proposal not winning, but this is not the way to deal with that.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bart
>>
>>> On 04-12-2019 23:58, Jérôme St-Louis wrote:
>>> There were some remarks not long after the bid where it was realized how much efforts all LOC teams put in these bids, and that it unfortunately ends up wasted while it could perhaps be used as proposals for e.g. the regional bids.
>>>
>>> I would very much support and encourage Jeff in aiming at FOSS4G-NA 2021 for FOSS4G-HFX, if the efforts could be recycled towards that possibility!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Jerome
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/4/19 5:31 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:
>>>> No, it's not really.
>>>> The obvious place to put the energy and enthusiasm from a 2nd place
>>>> international bid is in running the next relevant regional conference,
>>>> FOSS4G-NA 2021 in our case, not in counter-programming against the
>>>> actual event.
>>>> I'd still like to visit Halifax some time, even some time soon.
>>>> ATB,
>>>> P.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:51 AM Jonathan Moules
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>   > The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against
>>>>> another event in our own country
>>>>>
>>>>> While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are over 3700km
>>>>> apart. Geographically at least that's like being disappointed there was
>>>>> a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from FOSS4G proper
>>>>> (Bucharest).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people
>>>>> (hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe rather than
>>>>> competing both groups could create a single merged event split across
>>>>> two venues somehow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Eli,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I completely agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a FOSS4G in Halifax.
>>>>>> As per the website this morning he says:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "2019-12-03:  Hello again world!  We’re excited to announce that the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 !  The size and scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing will not.  Watch this space for more updates.  Thank you for all of the support!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another pop-up box indicates that
>>>>>> "2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit will exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for support!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete against another event in our own country, especially one being presented by an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board member. We will push forward and continue building a strong event for August, and we remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent global events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Eli Adam <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
>>>>>> To: Karine Jean <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev <[hidden email]>; osgeo-board List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community and we should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that it should be addressed soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards, Eli
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca site in its current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information before responding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great event in Calgary in 2020.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the potential avenues to address it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she was gracious and helpful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Conference_dev <[hidden email]> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; Conference Dev
>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; osgeo-board
>>>>>>>> List <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
>>>>>>>> confusion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good idea let us check:
>>>>>>>> https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio
>>>>>>>> n-policy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the trade-mark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in Calgary?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jody,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is listed
>>>>>>>> at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
>>>>>>>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Jerome
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next board
>>>>>>>> meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement you disagree with?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The domain is the first step to this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to intervene.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a board.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jody
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to act?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will just need to be handled if they occur.
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>>>>>>>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.
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>>>>>>>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to behaviour).
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>>>>>>>> Individual committees can also control their membership with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
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>>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
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>>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.
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>>>>>>>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not Halifax?
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>>>>>>>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
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>>>>>>>> Steven
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>>>>>>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Hi All,
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>>>>>>>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
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>>>>>>>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
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>>>>>>>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.
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>>>>>>>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
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>>>>>>>> Regards,
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>>>>>>>> Jon
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>>>>>>>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
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>>>>>>>> CO-CHAIR
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>>>>>>>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
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>>>>>>>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
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Re: FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Ian Turton


On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 14:24, michael terner <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jonathan:
Europe has a population of ~741 million people; Canada has a population 37 million, and even with the USA counted the combined population is half of Europe (according to quick Google searches). And, for FOSS4G's the host country generally provides the largest proportion of delegates. It's not just distance, it's the number of people who can financially support an event. Last, and as pointed out earlier, North America has a history, i.e., an longstanding, intentional precedent, of not having a N. American only event in the same year that the global event occurs in N. America. Indeed, many conference goers have budget limitations that make it hard to support two events. On the other hand, Europe, supported by its large, diverse population, has a long history of supporting both a global and regional event in the same year.

 
Actually, Europe has long had a policy of not running a regional event when the international event is in Europe. So the UK tends to run its event in the "on" years for people who can't make it all the way to the international event and have no nearby regional event (or when the regional event is a long way from the UK). The UK event is in no way comparable to a large regional event, it tends to be around 100 people and only for 2 or 3 days. 

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