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FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Stefano Campus
Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Maria Antonia Brovelli

Dear Stefano, this is not a novelty. It happened also in the previous years (see the websites of the conferences). 

Best,

Maria



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Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Barry Rowlingson
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They've sponsored every FOSS4G Global since about 2010, except for 2015 (South Korea).

And why not? They are an Open Source company: http://www.esri.com/software/open/open-source

They use a *lot* of open source software, so its good that they give back. It does not earn them any power over the conference organisers and nobody is forced to buy ArcGIS licenses.

Barry


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Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Stefano Campus
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Thank you for your quick reply,  Maria.
This is certainly my mistake, since I had not noticed it.
But apart from that,  am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is not exactly 'normal'?

Stefano



Il 25/Feb/2018 03:32 PM, "Maria Antonia Brovelli" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

Dear Stefano, this is not a novelty. It happened also in the previous years (see the websites of the conferences). 

Best,

Maria



A course worth your attending: 

Have a good reading:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-65633-5.pdf


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Da: Discuss <[hidden email]> per conto di Stefano Campus <[hidden email]>
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Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Dan Little-2
You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective. 

On Feb 25, 2018 08:43, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thank you for your quick reply,  Maria.
This is certainly my mistake, since I had not noticed it.
But apart from that,  am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is not exactly 'normal'?

Stefano



Il 25/Feb/2018 03:32 PM, "Maria Antonia Brovelli" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

Dear Stefano, this is not a novelty. It happened also in the previous years (see the websites of the conferences). 

Best,

Maria



A course worth your attending: 

Have a good reading:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-65633-5.pdf


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Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

Thank you for your reply

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Stefano Campus
Obviously, as I said before, this is my perspective and I am ready to hear different opinions and to change mine.

Thank you

s.



Il 25/Feb/2018 03:54 PM, "Dan Little" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective. 

On Feb 25, 2018 08:43, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thank you for your quick reply,  Maria.
This is certainly my mistake, since I had not noticed it.
But apart from that,  am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is not exactly 'normal'?

Stefano



Il 25/Feb/2018 03:32 PM, "Maria Antonia Brovelli" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

Dear Stefano, this is not a novelty. It happened also in the previous years (see the websites of the conferences). 

Best,

Maria



A course worth your attending: 

Have a good reading:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-65633-5.pdf


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Tel. <a href="tel:+39%2002%202399%206242" value="+390223996242" target="_blank">+39-02-23996242 - Mob. <a href="tel:+39%20328%20002%203867" value="+393280023867" target="_blank">+39-328-0023867,  [hidden email][hidden email]





 




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Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Dan Little-2
IBM, Google, and I believe even Microsoft have all sponsored various forms of the conference over the years. There are commits in repos from ESRI employees. Python, gdal, and other projects are used directly in ESRI software.  Sponsoring a conference is a pretty small, but visible way, to show support. 

On Feb 25, 2018 08:57, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Obviously, as I said before, this is my perspective and I am ready to hear different opinions and to change mine.

Thank you

s.



Il 25/Feb/2018 03:54 PM, "Dan Little" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective. 

On Feb 25, 2018 08:43, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thank you for your quick reply,  Maria.
This is certainly my mistake, since I had not noticed it.
But apart from that,  am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is not exactly 'normal'?

Stefano



Il 25/Feb/2018 03:32 PM, "Maria Antonia Brovelli" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

Dear Stefano, this is not a novelty. It happened also in the previous years (see the websites of the conferences). 

Best,

Maria



A course worth your attending: 

Have a good reading:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-65633-5.pdf


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Politecnico di Milano

P.zza Leonardo da Vinci, 32 - Building 3 - 20133 Milano (Italy)

Tel. <a href="tel:+39%2002%202399%206242" value="+390223996242" target="_blank">+39-02-23996242 - Mob. <a href="tel:+39%20328%20002%203867" value="+393280023867" target="_blank">+39-328-0023867,  [hidden email][hidden email]





 




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Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

Thank you for your reply

Stefano Campus


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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Stefano Campus
 thanks for the info! 

s.

Il 25/Feb/2018 04:02 PM, "Dan Little" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
IBM, Google, and I believe even Microsoft have all sponsored various forms of the conference over the years. There are commits in repos from ESRI employees. Python, gdal, and other projects are used directly in ESRI software.  Sponsoring a conference is a pretty small, but visible way, to show support. 

On Feb 25, 2018 08:57, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Obviously, as I said before, this is my perspective and I am ready to hear different opinions and to change mine.

Thank you

s.



Il 25/Feb/2018 03:54 PM, "Dan Little" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective. 

On Feb 25, 2018 08:43, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thank you for your quick reply,  Maria.
This is certainly my mistake, since I had not noticed it.
But apart from that,  am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is not exactly 'normal'?

Stefano



Il 25/Feb/2018 03:32 PM, "Maria Antonia Brovelli" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

Dear Stefano, this is not a novelty. It happened also in the previous years (see the websites of the conferences). 

Best,

Maria



A course worth your attending: 

Have a good reading:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-65633-5.pdf


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Professor of GIS and Digital Mapping
Politecnico di Milano

P.zza Leonardo da Vinci, 32 - Building 3 - 20133 Milano (Italy)

Tel. <a href="tel:+39%2002%202399%206242" value="+390223996242" target="_blank">+39-02-23996242 - Mob. <a href="tel:+39%20328%20002%203867" value="+393280023867" target="_blank">+39-328-0023867,  [hidden email][hidden email]





 




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Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

Thank you for your reply

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Sandro Santilli-4
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On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 08:54:32AM -0600, Dan Little wrote:
> On Feb 25, 2018 08:43, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is
> > not exactly 'normal'?
>
> You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective.

No, he's not the only one. I also don't like to see OSGeo advertising
brands of companies having a mission in hiding source code of the
software they publish and preventing others to implement same
functionality via patents.

--strk;

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

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On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Dan Little <[hidden email]> wrote:
You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective. 

I also feel a bit uncomfortable having ESRI sponsor the conference, but I can see the other side as well.
You should probably run statistics before stating something as harshly as you did, that's not the OSGeo way.

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Maria Antonia Brovelli
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I share the same postion of Stefano, Sandro and Andrea. And, above all, in my opinion, the discussion on this list has to be respectful. 


About the specific topic, organising a survey among the Charter Members could be interesting. In this way we have a clearer picture of our community (I don't have it at the moment).


Thanks 

Maria



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A: Dan Little
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Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship
 
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 08:54:32AM -0600, Dan Little wrote:
> On Feb 25, 2018 08:43, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is
> > not exactly 'normal'?
>
> You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective.

No, he's not the only one. I also don't like to see OSGeo advertising
brands of companies having a mission in hiding source code of the
software they publish and preventing others to implement same
functionality via patents.

--strk;

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

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OSGeo is an advocate for open source and encourage all organizations to contribute.

Personally I am happy to see ESRI participating, and have watched their open source game improve with the java geometry library first being released, and perhaps now accepting contributions.

There is always work to be done and open source culture is a long game. I look forward to the next steps when we can focus more on a vendor neutral playground for collaboration (such as software foundations). 

I was also sad to see ESRI Europe drop out of the last day of our FOSS4G Europe event, we can and should be more welcoming in keeping with our vision.

Empowering everyone with open source requires a big heart!

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 6:26 AM Stefano Campus <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

Thank you for your reply

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

ginetto
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Not the only one... Sorry

On Sunday, 25 February 2018, Dan Little <[hidden email]> wrote:
You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective. 

On Feb 25, 2018 08:43, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thank you for your quick reply,  Maria.
This is certainly my mistake, since I had not noticed it.
But apart from that,  am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is not exactly 'normal'?

Stefano



Il 25/Feb/2018 03:32 PM, "Maria Antonia Brovelli" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

Dear Stefano, this is not a novelty. It happened also in the previous years (see the websites of the conferences). 

Best,

Maria



A course worth your attending: 

Have a good reading:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-65633-5.pdf


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Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)

+1 (for ‘not the only one’)

It is good to receive support, I am not contesting that.

But this issue seems worthy of considered discussion.

Even OGC receives considerable funding from ESRI, further complicating the issue.

[sigh]

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P.S.: Curious, was the Lidar compression ‘open standard’ issue ever resolved?

https://rapidlasso.com/2015/12/19/the-darc-force-awakens-esri-escalates-lidar-format-war/

 

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Not the only one... Sorry

On Sunday, 25 February 2018, Dan Little <[hidden email]> wrote:

You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective. 

 

On Feb 25, 2018 08:43, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thank you for your quick reply,  Maria.

This is certainly my mistake, since I had not noticed it.

But apart from that, am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is not exactly 'normal'?

 

Stefano

 

 

 

Il 25/Feb/2018 03:32 PM, "Maria Antonia Brovelli" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

Dear Stefano, this is not a novelty. It happened also in the previous years (see the websites of the conferences). 

Best,

Maria

 

 

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Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but
sometimes...

Thank you for your reply

 

Stefano Campus

 


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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

Massimiliano Cannata
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I think it depends on how you see Open Source.... But Stefano you're not the only one...

Maxi

Il 25 feb 2018 19:49, "Luigi Pirelli" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
Not the only one... Sorry

On Sunday, 25 February 2018, Dan Little <[hidden email]> wrote:
You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective. 

On Feb 25, 2018 08:43, "Stefano Campus" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thank you for your quick reply,  Maria.
This is certainly my mistake, since I had not noticed it.
But apart from that,  am I the only one feeling that this sponsorship is not exactly 'normal'?

Stefano



Il 25/Feb/2018 03:32 PM, "Maria Antonia Brovelli" <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

Dear Stefano, this is not a novelty. It happened also in the previous years (see the websites of the conferences). 

Best,

Maria



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Inviato: domenica 25 febbraio 2018 15:26
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Oggetto: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship
 
Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

Thank you for your reply

Stefano Campus


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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

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+1 to Jodys point of view.

If you do not want to end up preaching for the choir, then you have to welcome others. I would also like to urge people to consider that “contribution” has many facets. 

Having big industry sponsor an event or codecamp, could also be seen as labelling our conferences and software as serious. 

Best regards,

Greg


søn. 25. feb. 2018 kl. 19.45 skrev Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>:
OSGeo is an advocate for open source and encourage all organizations to contribute.

Personally I am happy to see ESRI participating, and have watched their open source game improve with the java geometry library first being released, and perhaps now accepting contributions.

There is always work to be done and open source culture is a long game. I look forward to the next steps when we can focus more on a vendor neutral playground for collaboration (such as software foundations). 

I was also sad to see ESRI Europe drop out of the last day of our FOSS4G Europe event, we can and should be more welcoming in keeping with our vision.

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

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I am not sure we need the endorsement of others to be taken as serious - we are being taken serious because we are serious :)

We are also fun, motivated, and out to win.

But our “win” includes everyone :)
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:59 AM Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen <[hidden email]> wrote:
+1 to Jodys point of view.

If you do not want to end up preaching for the choir, then you have to welcome others. I would also like to urge people to consider that “contribution” has many facets. 

Having big industry sponsor an event or codecamp, could also be seen as labelling our conferences and software as serious. 

Best regards,

Greg


søn. 25. feb. 2018 kl. 19.45 skrev Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>:
OSGeo is an advocate for open source and encourage all organizations to contribute.

Personally I am happy to see ESRI participating, and have watched their open source game improve with the java geometry library first being released, and perhaps now accepting contributions.

There is always work to be done and open source culture is a long game. I look forward to the next steps when we can focus more on a vendor neutral playground for collaboration (such as software foundations). 

I was also sad to see ESRI Europe drop out of the last day of our FOSS4G Europe event, we can and should be more welcoming in keeping with our vision.

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

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On 25 February 2018 at 19:16, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1 (for ‘not the only one’)

It is good to receive support, I am not contesting that.

But this issue seems worthy of considered discussion.


ESRI payed for (I understand from Frank) some of the initial development of GDAL/OGR, with out which much of our software would be much more difficult to implement.

While I am happy to attack ESRI for thier bussiness methods (of the crack dealer type) I see no problem with taking thier money to sponsor our events, it's even bettet if they come and talk with us, show us what they have been upto in the open source world and for them to see what we've been up to. We also take money from other "evil" empires like IBM, Google, etc with out any worries that I can recall. 

Plus ESRI have those nicely ironic dinosaur stickers.
 

Even OGC receives considerable funding from ESRI, further complicating the issue.


Why would the OGC not have ESRI as a member? Its an industry standards consortium.  If I have an issue it is that ESRI, ESRI UK, ESRI Canada etc are all voting memembers.

Ian

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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

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dear barry,
please help me to better understand your position.
If ESRI is "an Open Source company" as you say, if one submits a paper to FOSS4G 2018 about an application made with ArcGIS and some tools they publish in their github repo, will  this paper be accepted by editors and reviewers?

I think that free and open source is not only a business vision but I think and I believe it is a way to improve our world sharing knowledge.
When I try to explain my vision of FOSS4G to someone who doesn't know anything about it, I also use this word: "ethics".

I don't want to convince anyone, this is not the point, but I'm just trying to understand what are the positions of community in OSGeo and especially the position of its governance. 

best regards and ciao

stefano

2018-02-25 15:41 GMT+01:00 Barry Rowlingson <[hidden email]>:
They've sponsored every FOSS4G Global since about 2010, except for 2015 (South Korea).

And why not? They are an Open Source company: http://www.esri.com/software/open/open-source

They use a *lot* of open source software, so its good that they give back. It does not earn them any power over the conference organisers and nobody is forced to buy ArcGIS licenses.

Barry


On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Stefano Campus <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,
I see ESRI is one of the sponsor of FOSS4G 2018.
Do the OSGeo Board and Local Committee think it is appropriate?
Our Romans ancestors used to say: 'Pecunia non olet' (money don't smell) but sometimes...

Thank you for your reply

Stefano Campus



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Re: FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

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I did write that in a peculiar way didn’t I. :-)

My point was merely, that while one can take a negative stance on corp sponsorship, it can also be seen as a positive kind of attention. The perspective changes a lot depending on a closed or open mindset.

I personally find it a good thing, that corporations sponsor projects they use, and have worked hard for them to do so. The system works imho because some put in money, some put in time, and others put in a bit of both. Without conference sponsors the tickets would be even more expensive (and without the gift of time, many of our projects wouldn’t live a year). 


Cheers,

Greg


søn. 25. feb. 2018 kl. 21.56 skrev Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>:
I am not sure we need the endorsement of others to be taken as serious - we are being taken serious because we are serious :)

We are also fun, motivated, and out to win.

But our “win” includes everyone :)


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